Should the Chiefs sign Eric Berry for 5/70m with 38m guaranteed?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Dorsey has to continue to hit in the draft and we need to start squeezing on some of these contract. If we don't continue to hit in the draft we are pretty much dead.

Nah; in a year we'll be able to move on from some of our worst contracts, including DJ, Hali, Maclin and yes, Houston. If these guys don't show out in '17, they're gone in '18. And Hali and DJ are gone either way. I mean sure, you want to do well in the draft but EVERY team will fail if they're not supplementing their squad via the draft. They'll be in a much better cap position in the coming years than they are this season.

Originally Posted by notorious

Ugh.

That Houston contract......

It's pretty much been an unmitigated disaster.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

It'll be worth it sooner than later

No it won't. The Chiefs needed to make hay on that deal in the first two years, before the backloading set in. Instead they got largely a zero return on their investment in those seasons and now he's toting around one of the largest cap figures in football. Even if he plays as one of the best players in football, he's not going to OUTPLAY the $$ he's due in the coming years and as such we'll stay at a defecit.

that contract has been a loser and as he enters his age 28 season next year, the odds of it looking any better in the coming seasons are pretty long. It was a deal the Chiefs had to sign and I don't fault them for it, but it hasn't worked out at all. Let's remember that even a HoF guy like Derrick Thomas was in steep decline by age 30 and he didn't have the knee issues that Houston has had.

It's unfortunate, but it's reality.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

that contract has been a loser and as he enters his age 28 season next year, the odds of it looking any better in the coming seasons are pretty long. It was a deal the Chiefs had to sign and I don't fault them for it, but it hasn't worked out at all. Let's remember that even a HoF guy like Derrick Thomas was in steep decline by age 30 and he didn't have the knee issues that Houston has had.

It's unfortunate, but it's reality.

Some of the greatest single-season sack performances have came at age 29 or later.

Strahan (22.5) 29 y/o (also had 18.5 at 31 y/o)
Jared Allen (22) 29 y/o
Robert Mathis (19.5) 32 y/o
DeMarcus Ware (20) 29 y/o

Those are just the 'elite' seasons, there is a multitude of top notch pass rushers who have hit the 14-18 sack range in their 30s, some multiple times.

Maybe I'm just overly optimistic, but I think there's a lot of good football left in Houston.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Some of the greatest single-season sack performances have came at age 29 or later.

Strahan (22.5) 29 y/o (also had 18.5 at 31 y/o)
Jared Allen (22) 29 y/o
Robert Mathis (19.5) 32 y/o
DeMarcus Ware (20) 29 y/o

Those are just the 'elite' seasons, there is a multitude of top notch pass rushers who have hit the 14-18 sack range in their 30s, some multiple times.

Maybe I'm just overly optimistic, but I think there's a lot of good football left in Houston.

I think so, too. Well, I would call it "hope".


He has the tools, and after 2 years of being absent I "hope" he goes nuts on the opponents.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Some of the greatest single-season sack performances have came at age 29 or later.

Strahan (22.5) 29 y/o (also had 18.5 at 31 y/o)
Jared Allen (22) 29 y/o
Robert Mathis (19.5) 32 y/o
DeMarcus Ware (20) 29 y/o

Those are just the 'elite' seasons, there is a multitude of top notch pass rushers who have hit the 14-18 sack range in their 30s, some multiple times.

Maybe I'm just overly optimistic, but I think there's a lot of good football left in Houston.

I didn't say impossible, I said the odds were long and they are. Realistically you have 3 years (28-30) to create 4.5 years worth of production. On a guy with a rebuilt knee that doesn't seem to be responding as well as most would like.

He could be very good - he COULD play to the level of an individual season remaining on his deal. He could also easily be Mario Williams and hit a wall at age 30. He could do both of those things.

But one thing he won't do is make up for the season and a half he's missed or the 2 playoff runs where he's been completely ineffective, absent the kind of impact Von Miller made against Carolina.

And again - those odds are pretty long.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Nah; in a year we'll be able to move on from some of our worst contracts, including DJ, Hali, Maclin and yes, Houston. If these guys don't show out in '17, they're gone in '18. And Hali and DJ are gone either way. I mean sure, you want to do well in the draft but EVERY team will fail if they're not supplementing their squad via the draft. They'll be in a much better cap position in the coming years than they are this season.



It's pretty much been an unmitigated disaster.



No it won't. The Chiefs needed to make hay on that deal in the first two years, before the backloading set in. Instead they got largely a zero return on their investment in those seasons and now he's toting around one of the largest cap figures in football. Even if he plays as one of the best players in football, he's not going to OUTPLAY the $$ he's due in the coming years and as such we'll stay at a defecit.

that contract has been a loser and as he enters his age 28 season next year, the odds of it looking any better in the coming seasons are pretty long. It was a deal the Chiefs had to sign and I don't fault them for it, but it hasn't worked out at all. Let's remember that even a HoF guy like Derrick Thomas was in steep decline by age 30 and he didn't have the knee issues that Houston has had.

It's unfortunate, but it's reality.

This is one of the best draft classes for pass rushers in recent years. Would be really nice to grab one as insurance.