Terez says "the Chiefs have done plenty of background on" Mahomes.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

That sounds absolutely reeruned.

No not at all, especially if the players they are interested in are gone. Instead of trading back I would just as soon move it to a team in the middle wanting to move up for their 1st in 2018.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

No not at all, especially if the players they are interested in are gone. Instead of trading back I would just as soon move it to a team in the middle wanting to move up for their 1st in 2018.

Yeah, it really is.

To start, they would be taking a beating in trade value. Teams have been able to flip a 2nd rounder for a later lick and a next year 1st rounder. Swapping for tomorrow straight up is dumb as ****.

This is a deep draft so there's going to be many players on the board.

Or is this the part where people think they can just easily wheel and deal for this mythical 2018 class? If this 18 class lives up to the chuckle****s hopes, it'll take a draft package that this ****ing franchise will never, ever part with.

I mean **** they were going gay for Paxton Lynch and couldn't be assed to part with a mixed bag of mid-rounders to secure him. What the **** makes people think John Dorsey will pay several high choices instead?

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Yeah, it really is.

To start, they would be taking a beating in trade value. Teams have been able to flip a 2nd rounder for a later lick and a next year 1st rounder. Swapping for tomorrow straight up is dumb as ****.

This is a deep draft so there's going to be many players on the board.

Or is this the part where people think they can just easily wheel and deal for this mythical 2018 class? If this 18 class lives up to the chuckle****s hopes, it'll take a draft package that this ****ing franchise will never, ever part with.

I mean **** they were going gay for Paxton Lynch and couldn't be assed to part with a mixed bag of mid-rounders to secure him. What the **** makes people think John Dorsey will pay several high choices instead?

It depends on how you look at it. If a team tries to trade up it takes more future picks than current picks. So maybe we get a little boot in the deal, but if not then when it comes to next year and we need the ammo to move up we would have already paid that in a sense and we would not have to lose that on a future pick which would give us an advantage over the other teams that only have 1 pick in the 1st round.
We could pay part of that price now instead of waiting for the years after we have our QB and be able to surround him with the weapons and pieces we need.

They were not "gay for Paxton Lynch", that is some ridiculous shit.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

It depends on how you look at it. If a team tries to trade up it takes more future picks than current picks. So maybe we get a little boot in the deal, but if not then when it comes to next year and we need the ammo to move up we would have already paid that in a sense and we would not have to lose that on a future pick which would give us an advantage over the other teams that only have 1 pick in the 1st round.
We could pay part of that price now instead of waiting for the years after we have our QB and be able to surround him with the weapons and pieces we need.

They were not "gay for Paxton Lynch", that is some ridiculous shit.

Whether we get the ammo now or later, here's the bottom line of what you're proposing.

The draft order will come out in 2018. The comp picks will be announced. And the Chiefs will need to pay a handsome price to jump up and grab Mr. Magic Butt**** in teh b3stest QB class evar!

Let's say they add an additional draft pick in the mid teens to go along with their late 20s draft pick they were awarded.

Are you ready for a Ricky Williams-like trade up to get Mr. Magic Butthole? Because that's what it's going to cost.

It's going to cost what the Redskins paid to get RGIII and probably worse.

Are you saying that the franchise, GM, and coach that is too ****ing scared to spend a late 1st rounder on Derek Carr or Teddy Bridgewater is going to take THAT big of a risk?

Jesus ****, I want a 1st round QB in KC more than most people, and not even I'M that desperate!

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Whether we get the ammo now or later, here's the bottom line of what you're proposing.

The draft order will come out in 2018. The comp picks will be announced. And the Chiefs will need to pay a handsome price to jump up and grab Mr. Magic Butt**** in teh b3stest QB class evar!

Let's say they add an additional draft pick in the mid teens to go along with their late 20s draft pick they were awarded.

Are you ready for a Ricky Williams-like trade up to get Mr. Magic Butthole? Because that's what it's going to cost.

It's going to cost what the Redskins paid to get RGIII and probably worse.

Are you saying that the franchise, GM, and coach that is too ****ing scared to spend a late 1st rounder on Derek Carr or Teddy Bridgewater is going to take THAT big of a risk?

Jesus ****, I want a 1st round QB in KC more than most people, and not even I'M that desperate!

I agree.

The best course of action for us is to pick a QB that simply best fits Andy Reid.

We're not getting an Andrew Luck. The best we can hope for is getting a Joe Flacco.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I agree.

The best course of action for us is to pick a QB that simply best fits Andy Reid.

We're not getting an Andrew Luck. The best we can hope for is getting a Joe Flacco.

No that might be their perceived ceiling but the bottom line is once in the league those expectations can either bloom or wither.

[RippedmyFlesh]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I agree.

The best course of action for us is to pick a QB that simply best fits Andy Reid.

We're not getting an Andrew Luck. The best we can hope for is getting a Joe Flacco.

Nothing wrong with getting a Flacco. You can get a ring with him which is all everyone here wants. Well most any way.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Whether we get the ammo now or later, here's the bottom line of what you're proposing.

The draft order will come out in 2018. The comp picks will be announced. And the Chiefs will need to pay a handsome price to jump up and grab Mr. Magic Butt**** in teh b3stest QB class evar!

Let's say they add an additional draft pick in the mid teens to go along with their late 20s draft pick they were awarded.

Are you ready for a Ricky Williams-like trade up to get Mr. Magic Butthole? Because that's what it's going to cost.

It's going to cost what the Redskins paid to get RGIII and probably worse.

Are you saying that the franchise, GM, and coach that is too ****ing scared to spend a late 1st rounder on Derek Carr or Teddy Bridgewater is going to take THAT big of a risk?

Jesus ****, I want a 1st round QB in KC more than most people, and not even I'M that desperate!

Oh so you know that we will end up in the playoffs again this year? It is possible but the 2016 Chiefs pulled a couple of rabbits out of their ass. That may or may not happen again in 2017.
Yes I would be ready to trade the two 1st rounders in 2018 and one in 2019 to secure that QB.
If the 2018 draft is deeper then we wouldn't have to move up as far to get said QB either.
What makes you think that they were afraid to draft Carr or Bridgewater? Just because they choose to pass doesn't mean that they were afraid to.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Oh so you know that we will end up in the playoffs again this year? It is possible but the 2016 Chiefs pulled a couple of rabbits out of their ass. That may or may not happen again in 2017.
Yes I would be ready to trade the two 1st rounders in 2018 and one in 2019 to secure that QB.
If the 2018 draft is deeper then we wouldn't have to move up as far to get said QB either.
What makes you think that they were afraid to draft Carr or Bridgewater? Just because they choose to pass doesn't mean that they were afraid to.

You're going to go in on a strategy that involves us missing the playoffs to get draft position? The odds are significantly in our favor to make the playoffs next year.

It's one thing to sacrifice the future to get something now. If the Chiefs want to use 2019 and 2020 picks to get more in 2018, fine by me, but it's pretty foolish to trade CURRENT first round picks for picks next year.

"We wouldn't have to move very far to get a QB." You know who else is thinking that? EVERY SINGLE OTHER TEAM. If the QB class is as bad as you say it is this year, we could see Cleveland, San Diego, New Orleans, Buffalo, Minnesota, and other teams who figure to be terrible try to grab QBs. We could see 4 QBs go before we even get a chance to trade up just to sniff one.

And you still haven't addressed my point about 2012. What do we do when the top 3 guys go and we're left with a couple guys with 1st round grades but just aren't "our" guys like Tannehill or Weeden? That kind of draft hole happens far more often than you think.

If Andy Reid likes Mahomes, then take him NOW. Let him sit for 1-2 years. I'd rather take my shot on that than bank on making a Redskins-like trade on a QB class we still know ****ing nothing about.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

You're going to go in on a strategy that involves us missing the playoffs to get draft position? The odds are significantly in our favor to make the playoffs next year.

It's one thing to sacrifice the future to get something now. If the Chiefs want to use 2019 and 2020 picks to get more in 2018, fine by me, but it's pretty foolish to trade CURRENT first round picks for picks next year.

"We wouldn't have to move very far to get a QB." You know who else is thinking that? EVERY SINGLE OTHER TEAM. If the QB class is as bad as you say it is this year, we could see Cleveland, San Diego, New Orleans, Buffalo, Minnesota, and other teams who figure to be terrible try to grab QBs. We could see 4 QBs go before we even get a chance to trade up just to sniff one.

And you still haven't addressed my point about 2012. What do we do when the top 3 guys go and we're left with a couple guys with 1st round grades but just aren't "our" guys like Tannehill or Weeden? That kind of draft hole happens far more often than you think.

If Andy Reid likes Mahomes, then take him NOW. Let him sit for 1-2 years. I'd rather take my shot on that than bank on making a Redskins-like trade on a QB class we still know ****ing nothing about.

So you're okay with keeping Alex last 2018 if we draft Mahomes?
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[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

You're going to go in on a strategy that involves us missing the playoffs to get draft position? The odds are significantly in our favor to make the playoffs next year.

It's one thing to sacrifice the future to get something now. If the Chiefs want to use 2019 and 2020 picks to get more in 2018, fine by me, but it's pretty foolish to trade CURRENT first round picks for picks next year.

"We wouldn't have to move very far to get a QB." You know who else is thinking that? EVERY SINGLE OTHER TEAM. If the QB class is as bad as you say it is this year, we could see Cleveland, San Diego, New Orleans, Buffalo, Minnesota, and other teams who figure to be terrible try to grab QBs. We could see 4 QBs go before we even get a chance to trade up just to sniff one.

And you still haven't addressed my point about 2012. What do we do when the top 3 guys go and we're left with a couple guys with 1st round grades but just aren't "our" guys like Tannehill or Weeden? That kind of draft hole happens far more often than you think.

If Andy Reid likes Mahomes, then take him NOW. Let him sit for 1-2 years. I'd rather take my shot on that than bank on making a Redskins-like trade on a QB class we still know ****ing nothing about.

Yes if they like Mahomes great but if not or if he is gone. Make a move instead of trading back to gain more picks like last year.
I understand it is risky and is thinking outside the box but we cant just set back and hope for one to fall to us. I would like to see is be aggreasive and act like the position is more important than they have.

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[Shaid]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Yeah, it really is.

To start, they would be taking a beating in trade value. Teams have been able to flip a 2nd rounder for a later lick and a next year 1st rounder. Swapping for tomorrow straight up is dumb as ****.

Swapping a 2nd for a next year firs happens but it's pretty rare and I don't think you see it when you have a late 2nd like ours. Of course I'd do that if we could and of course I'd try something with additional picks, etc. The main point is we have a low 1st round pick so likeliness of getting a higher selection next year is pretty damn good. If we don't get a QB we believe in this year and we've got a pretty deep team, transfer that value to next year so we can actually make the move we need to make. Nothing trumps getting your franchise QB. My primary focus is securing a franchise QB, first and foremost. Getting the ammo now simply gives you more options.