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Old 04-17-2017, 02:08 PM   #1
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Mahomes makes no sense to me for the Chiefs

He is the exact opposite of what the Chiefs' offense is about.

Reid going to change his offense almost completely?

Mahomes is a spread-them-out-playaction-pass type offense, not WCO dink and dunk

McCaffrey would be a perfect fit for the Chiefs
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Old 04-17-2017, 02:12 PM   #2
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Mahomes makes no sense to me for the Chiefs

He is the exact opposite of what the Chiefs' offense is about.

Reid going to change his offense almost completely?

Mahomes is a spread-them-out-playaction-pass type offense, not WCO dink and dunk

McCaffrey would be a perfect fit for the Chiefs
Reid has always changed his offense for his QB. McNabb ran the Alex Smith version and Vick ran what would be the Mahomes version.
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Old 04-17-2017, 02:16 PM   #3
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Reid has always changed his offense for his QB. McNabb ran the Alex Smith version and Vick ran what would be the Mahomes version.
works for me, i would still be very surprised
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Old 04-17-2017, 03:20 PM   #4
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Reid has always changed his offense for his QB. McNabb ran the Alex Smith version and Vick ran what would be the Mahomes version.
correction, alex smith is TRYING to run the mcnabb version, he just wont go down the field enough

I'm totally on board to move up for mahomes, but not mini-mac. I might be ok if he's still sitting there for 27, but would prefer cunningham or edge rusher if that's the case, so i guess it's a no for my taste.
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Old 04-17-2017, 03:44 PM   #5
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correction, alex smith is TRYING to run the mcnabb version
Alex smith is not the one calling 15 bubble screens each game.

JFC, nevermind ... believe whatever you want

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Old 04-17-2017, 03:47 PM   #6
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Alex smith is not the one calling 15 bubble screens each game.

JFC, nevermind ... believe whatever you want

No he isn't but he's one of the reasons Andy calls so many. Weak arm and can't see wide open playmakers behind the defense for scores. Alex is that limited and has been proven to be over and over again on game tape break downs.
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Old 04-17-2017, 04:09 PM   #7
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No he isn't but he's one of the reasons Andy calls so many. Weak arm and can't see wide open playmakers behind the defense for scores. Alex is that limited and has been proven to be over and over again on game tape break downs.
If Alex Smith was limiting Reid's playcalling so much then why haven't we been looking to replace him? We've only been selecting middle-round QB's that just fall into the 'taking a shot' category.

Makes no sense

If Andy Reid was so limited by his QB then why have we passed on viable QB in the draft. No trading up needed, they were sitting right there. Why not push the development of the guys we did draft instead of signing a veteran #2 each year. Why didn't Reid just switch to Foles permanently if Alex Smith could never run the offense the way Reid wanted because of physical limitations?

Makes no ****ing sense
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Old 04-17-2017, 04:23 PM   #8
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If Alex Smith was limiting Reid's playcalling so much then why haven't we been looking to replace him? We've only been selecting middle-round QB's that just fall into the 'taking a shot' category.

Makes no sense

If Andy Reid was so limited by his QB then why have we passed on viable QB in the draft. No trading up needed, they were sitting right there. Why not push the development of the guys we did draft instead of signing a veteran #2 each year. Why didn't Reid just switch to Foles permanently if Alex Smith could never run the offense the way Reid wanted because of physical limitations?

Makes no ****ing sense
Who are those viable QB's we passes on?
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Old 04-17-2017, 03:31 PM   #9
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Reid has always changed his offense for his QB. McNabb ran the Alex Smith version and Vick ran what would be the Mahomes version.
What did AJ Feeley and Kevin Kolb run?
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Cunningham has amazing range for an ILB and would be a nice replacement for DJ. One gripe I have with him is that he seems to arm tackle way too much. The same thing we have complained about Ramik for
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Mahomes makes no sense to me for the Chiefs

He is the exact opposite of what the Chiefs' offense is about.

Reid going to change his offense almost completely?

Mahomes is a spread-them-out-playaction-pass type offense, not WCO dink and dunk

McCaffrey would be a perfect fit for the Chiefs
You may be right about Mahomes but one thing stood out to me on the few highlight videos I watched. Based on everything I was hearing about his arm I was expecting to see a barrage of long balls. But what stood out to me was that he threw a lot of check downs. I thought to myself that I could see why Andy was interested. He seemed like he could play Reid's offense but with the added dimension of being able to sling it deep.
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Old 04-17-2017, 04:17 PM   #12
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You may be right about Mahomes but one thing stood out to me on the few highlight videos I watched. Based on everything I was hearing about his arm I was expecting to see a barrage of long balls. But what stood out to me was that he threw a lot of check downs. I thought to myself that I could see why Andy was interested. He seemed like he could play Reid's offense but with the added dimension of being able to sling it deep.
Maybe Reid does want to add the long ball but that's not what a traditional WCO is about. All the big plays from the WCO are supposed to come from YAC.

Dink and dunk the defense to death, have a QB that can hit the 3rd and 6 pass for a 1st down every single time. The WCO is death by a 1000 cuts, not bombs away. You want accuracy,timing and consistency, not arm strength. Andy Reid gets scared whenever we turn the ball over. He is not a guy who wants a QB that throws for 400+yrds with 5tds and 2ints. He wants 250 yrds with 2-3tds and 0 ints.

Reid is about being safe and conservative ... let the other team lose the game for you

Mahomes is about attack,attack,attack until the defense just gives up.

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Maybe Reid does want to add the long ball but that's not what a traditional WCO is about. All the big plays from the WCO are supposed to come from YAC.

Dink and dunk the defense to death, have a QB that can hit the 3rd and 6 pass for a 1st down every single time. The WCO is death by a 1000 cuts, not bombs away. You want accuracy,timing and consistency, not arm strength. Andy Reid gets scared whenever we turn the ball over. He is not a guy who wants a QB that throws for 400+yrds with 5tds and 2ints. He wants 250 yrds with 2-3tds and 0 ints.

Reid is about being safe and conservative ... let the other team lose the game for you

Mahomes is about attack,attack,attack until the defense just gives up.

You're probably right but it struck me that Mahomes threw a lot of those passes you describe. A lot more of the shorter timing passes and check downs than I was expecting to see. And maybe that is what Reid sees. Maybe the long ball is just a bonus.
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Old 04-17-2017, 04:33 PM   #15
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Stats can be deceiving

If you watched McNabb back in the day, you would have seen him playing sandlot football.

**** the play, **** the progressions ... McNabb just held the ball and ran around until he could chuck it deep. Most plays were nothing more than McNabb in one big scramble drill.

IMO That was part of the reason why Reid traded McNabb in the end. Reid hated that McNabb just told him to **** off and did what he wanted to.

As soon as McNabb was forced into a real offense he turned to complete shit.
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