Chiefs focused on Mahomes, McCaffrey, and Cunningham in RD1

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by -King-

I just watched his highlight video. Holy arm tackles Batman! I don't think that will work in the NFL especially not on short yard situations.
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He does arm tackle, yes.

If you know that going in, though - watch how he does it. It's not a drag tackle and he's not a guy that EVER gets run through because his arms are so damn long that he can still wrap.

He's a weird, weird prospect. I like him, but I can certainly understand why some don't. I just take some umbrage with the idea that he's Ramik Wilson picking around the pile or Donnie Edwards getting carried 5 yards past first contact. What he does, he does on purpose and not because he's tentative. He's a willing tackler, he just appears to have always gotten great results with this odd technique of his so he still uses it.

[Sully]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He does arm tackle, yes.

If you know that going in, though - watch how he does it. It's not a drag tackle and he's not a guy that EVER gets run through because his arms are so damn long that he can still wrap.

He's a weird, weird prospect. I like him, but I can certainly understand why some don't. I just take some umbrage with the idea that he's Ramik Wilson picking around the pile or Donnie Edwards getting carried 5 yards past first contact. What he does, he does on purpose and not because he's tentative. He's a willing tackler, he just appears to have always gotten great results with this odd technique of his so he still uses it.

It's Hawk Tackling. I haven't checked, but would be willing to bet the majority of the team tackles similarly. Get used to it... everyone will be tackling similarly within 10 years. I just started teaching it this year.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Sully

It's Hawk Tackling. I haven't checked, but would be willing to bet the majority of the team tackles similarly. Get used to it... everyone will be tackling similarly within 10 years. I just started teaching it this year.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Sully

It's Hawk Tackling. I haven't checked, but would be willing to bet the majority of the team tackles similarly. Get used to it... everyone will be tackling similarly within 10 years. I just started teaching it this year.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Thanks; good information.

He's a slightly more extreme version of that in that he often omits the shoulder to the chest part (which seems to be foundational for 'hawk tackling' and honestly it's similar to the 'head across the body' technique I was taught almost 20 years ago).

But that's the first time I've seen the leg whip/roll taught as an actual technique rather than the hip thrust and drive.

Like I said, Cunningham uses that to outstanding effect - he's not a tentative tackler. He's just something you have to get used to. He's going to be a very good player, IMO.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Thanks; good information.

He's a slightly more extreme version of that in that he often omits the shoulder to the chest part (which seems to be foundational for 'hawk tackling' and honestly it's similar to the 'head across the body' technique I was taught almost 20 years ago).

But that's the first time I've seen the leg whip/roll taught as an actual technique rather than the hip thrust and drive.

Like I said, Cunningham uses that to outstanding effect - he's not a tentative tackler. He's just something you have to get used to. He's going to be a very good player, IMO.

Would you be happy with Cunningham at 27 (assuming top QB's are gone)?

I'm coming around to it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Would you be happy with Cunningham at 27 (assuming top QB's are gone)?

I'm coming around to it.

As everything, it depends on the board.

Before I really got involved in the draft season, he was my favorite likely target after Mahomes. I really like the player.

I've seen some other guys since then that I'd have to go back and review again as a direct comparison (Wormley was brought up in the draft forum and he's among them). But I have a hard time saying that I'd be upset by that pick regardless of what non-QB options are available.

I may decide that I like Wormley better or Barnett or Ross, but if those guys are available and the Chiefs go Cunningham, I'd be fine with that as well.

[RunKC]

Dorsey has never drafted for immediate need in the first round. I can't see him starting now.

The underrated guy to watch for at 27 if the QB's are gone? Buddha Baker.

[Sully]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Thanks; good information.

He's a slightly more extreme version of that in that he often omits the shoulder to the chest part (which seems to be foundational for 'hawk tackling' and honestly it's similar to the 'head across the body' technique I was taught almost 20 years ago).

But that's the first time I've seen the leg whip/roll taught as an actual technique rather than the hip thrust and drive.

Like I said, Cunningham uses that to outstanding effect - he's not a tentative tackler. He's just something you have to get used to. He's going to be a very good player, IMO.

He isn't great at it, but he has obviously taken to heart the near shoulder part of it, as everything I saw in the small amount I watched was hit with a near shoulder.

[Chief Northman]

Originally Posted by Sully

It's Hawk Tackling. I haven't checked, but would be willing to bet the majority of the team tackles similarly. Get used to it... everyone will be tackling similarly within 10 years. I just started teaching it this year.

Seahawks taking credit for this technique is laughable. Elite rugby has been doing this forever.

Higher-level competition like college/pro can succeed with this, but it is tough to teach for high school or minor football. I don't like the tracking techniques. The progressions USA Football, Football Canada and the originator FootballUniversity (Thurmond Moore) teach and implement are much better in my opinion with regards to building fundamentals and sound technique.

Like anything you commit to for a program, you have to marry it. If one starts trying to combine different aspects of multiple approach s it becomes problematic with terminology and consistency.

[Sully]

Originally Posted by Chief Northman

Seahawks taking credit for this technique is laughable. Elite rugby has been doing this forever.

Higher-level competition like college/pro can succeed with this, but it is tough to teach for high school or minor football. I don't like the tracking techniques. The progressions USA Football, Football Canada and the originator FootballUniversity (Thurmond Moore) teach and implement are much better in my opinion with regards to building fundamentals and sound technique.

Like anything you commit to for a program, you have to marry it. If one starts trying to combine different aspects of multiple approach s it becomes problematic with terminology and consistency.

The tracking is what made me finally buy into it. I like how it fits perfectly into teaching inside-out, eliminates cutbacks if done correctly, and leads to better angles for gang-tackling. It took me about a year to wrap my head around it, because it is essentially the opposite of the head across that I was taught and coached for years. But I am a fan, now.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Sully

The tracking is what made me finally buy into it. I like how it fits perfectly into teaching inside-out, eliminates cutbacks if done correctly, and leads to better angles for gang-tackling. It took me about a year to wrap my head around it, because it is essentially the opposite of the head across that I was taught and coached for years. But I am a fan, now.

Ah...I see the distinction now. I had missed the 'near shoulder' element. Yeah, I can see that.

Funny how a basically mundane thing can have so many evolutions going forward. "Tacklin' is tacklin' man....get 'em to ground". Nope. That's where some of you folks have me whuped. I can talk baseball with anybody but there are a handful of folks in here w/r/t football that are right outside of my knowledge base.

Appreciate the insight.