Patrick Mahomes Might Force Chiefs Hand In 2017

[penbrook]

Originally Posted by cooper barrett

Alex11 is being coached to open up his game and take some chances. He has been applauded for a great training camp and he has looked good in pre-season.
If he is successful making changes to his game (as he is being coached to do) it could become a two edged sword.

On one side if he starts throwing "6 point" picks he will either be forced to go back to his "safety first" game or we will see Pat Mahomes either in 2nd halves or as a starter. This is not PMll forcing himself on Reid and staff.

On the other edge...and I want to stay positive and say that Alex11's going to be successful at opening things up and taking a few more risks. If he is successful throwing the long (er) ball and threading the needle, he may (should) put an extra 6-12 points on the board each game. That, my friends, is just what we need to be a SB contender, that is if (big if) the defense and special teams do an outstanding jobs all season too.

If he sheds his reputation of being too careful to win championships reputation and, lets say we were to win a "real" playoff game, he would certainly up his street value as he may find himself being traded or released. We all know the Chef's (oops) plan on dumping him off somehow as PMll matures and Alex11's trade or release would save major bucks toward salary cap in 2018. A performance like that would certainly add value as a aging QB when the media and odds makers are starting to doubt us even getting into the playoffs..some have come right out and said we aren't getting there.

From my arm chair: I would like to think that we will see out first "real" playoff win this year either with Alex11 or Mahome leading the offense at the end of the season. Alex11 will have to execute what the coaches want to see (I hope he does) in able to keep from seeing himself being pulled out at halftime or even watching PMll get the call as a rookie starter. Injury or not once Alex11 is out as starter, he isn't coming back. If this happens Alex11 may just be released as no one will be willing to take the cap hit and the Chief's will only get the cap dollars savings as they shed Alex11.

But as I have stated before the running, blocking, and receiving teams need to be up to the challenge for our offense to be Super Bowl contenders. We have to stop the other teams running, passing, and special teams play to get there.

My money is with Alex11 to give us our first real chance at a SB appearance this year verses the disappointments we have endured for too many years to count. If not, are we going to hear the "rebuilding" word soon.

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[ARROW2]

Man, my head is gonna explode. Alex has NOT changes folks. You will see

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by ARROW2

Man, my head is gonna explode. Alex has NOT changed folks. You will see

Disagree

I do think there will be a fire under him for the obvious reasons plus he wants to showcase himself to get the best pay day /offer that he can in the future

That being said, it will probably mean he will throw a few more picks and incomplete passes as he might try to force things here and there instead of being safe.

This could actually work to our favor as long as the pressure doesn't get to him and he doesnt fall apart.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Disagree

I do think there will be a fire under him for the obvious reasons plus he wants to showcase himself to get the best pay day /offer that he can in the future

That being said, it will probably mean he will throw a few more picks and incomplete passes as he might try to force things here and there instead of being safe.

This could actually work to our favor as long as the pressure doesn't get to him and he doesnt fall apart.

I agree with this. I think that pass to Kelce in preseason last game was very unSmith-like and certainly not a "safe," throw and I expect to see more throws like this during the regular season.

Man, you can't ask for a better throw than this. Alex has looked good throwing the ball down the field this preseason in a small sample size pic.twitter.com/dH37s6a03d

— Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) August 20, 2017

No doubt in my mind he will be more aggressive this year. How much more aggressive is the question.

[notorious]

We know Arrow, just read any other thread

[DaneMcCloud]

Additionally, the Chiefs won't (at least at this point in time) have the cap burden of a first round pick, which also helps their cap situation.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Additionally, the Chiefs won't (at least at this point in time) have the cap burden of a first round pick, which also helps their cap situation.

I see that as a negative. The Chiefs will have some big holes to fill next year and will have to rely more on FA to do it because they don't have a 1.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I see that as a negative. The Chiefs will have some big holes to fill next year and will have to rely more on FA to do it because they don't have a 1.

What holes?

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What holes?

ILB will be a massive hole, #2/3 QBs, NT, kicker, punter and will have to address OLB. They will need to do something at CB, too.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

ILB will be a massive hole, #2/3 QBs, NT, kicker, punter and will have to address OLB.

What? DJ's not been the same player since 2015 and the Chiefs don't value the ILB position. Plus, they've drafted Ramik and Eligwe, traded for KPL and have March as well.

RNR is your NT if Logan isn't re-signed, a punter should be an undrafted Free Agent and the Chiefs have Ford and Houston as their starters, with Nicolas in development.

They're not spending massive amounts of money in Free Agency. Any replacements will be through the draft.

They're not going on some $40 million dollar shopping spree, even if they do release Smith. They'll use that dough to lock up Peters and others.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

ILB will be a massive hole, #2/3 QBs, NT, kicker, punter and will have to address OLB. They will need to do something at CB, too.

WR as well , imo

[Frazod]

I'll say this - there's only one way the Chiefs will ever win the Super Bowl - that's with a charismatic, stud gunslinger QB who garners national attention. One who not only wins games, but captures the imagination, and jersey-sale dollars, of all those soulless bandwagon scumbags who fawn over whoever ESPN tells them to. When Mahomes can line up with the likes of Manning, Brady and Roethlisburger, that's when shit will start to fall in place. That's when those crushing phantom calls and obvious non-calls that nobody cares about but us start going against the other guys. That's when we start being an elite team and stop being a shiny red doormat for the elite teams. Seriously, if Manning can win it all in ****ing shithole Indianapolis, Mahomes can do it in Kansas City.

But Alice can't. He will NEVER be that guy. And every game he starts just delays the future that much more. Get him the **** out of here now while we can get real value for him and jump start the future.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Frazod

I'll say this - there's only one way the Chiefs will ever win the Super Bowl - that's with a charismatic, stud gunslinger QB who garners national attention. One who not only wins games, but captures the imagination, and jersey-sale dollars, of all those soulless bandwagon scumbags who fawn over whoever ESPN tells them to. When Mahomes can line up with the likes of Manning, Brady and Roethlisburger, that's when shit will start to fall in place. That's when those crushing phantom calls and obvious non-calls that nobody cares about but us start going against the other guys. That's when we start being an elite team and stop being a shiny red doormat for the elite teams. Seriously, if Manning can win it all in ****ing shithole Indianapolis, Mahomes can do it in Kansas City.

But Alice can't. He will NEVER be that guy. And every game he starts just delays the future that much more. Get him the **** out of here now while we can get real value for him and jump start the future.

Yep.

We need a star to get the breaks.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Frazod

I'll say this - there's only one way the Chiefs will ever win the Super Bowl - that's with a charismatic, stud gunslinger QB who garners national attention. One who not only wins games, but captures the imagination, and jersey-sale dollars, of all those soulless bandwagon scumbags who fawn over whoever ESPN tells them to. When Mahomes can line up with the likes of Manning, Brady and Roethlisburger, that's when shit will start to fall in place. That's when those crushing phantom calls and obvious non-calls that nobody cares about but us start going against the other guys. That's when we start being an elite team and stop being a shiny red doormat for the elite teams. Seriously, if Manning can win it all in ****ing shithole Indianapolis, Mahomes can do it in Kansas City.

But Alice can't. He will NEVER be that guy. And every game he starts just delays the future that much more. Get him the **** out of here now while we can get real value for him and jump start the future.

Originally Posted by notorious

Yep.

We need a star to get the breaks.

There's a Miss America pageant on network TV every year, if that's more your speed.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

There's a Miss America pageant on network TV every year, if that's more your speed.

In the past 15 years, only twice have there have been AFC quarterbacks in the Super Bowl not named Manning, Brady or Roethlisberger.

Twice. Do you see any sort of ****ing pattern there?

Not sure at this point who the next generation's going to include, but I'd rather be one of the few, because being one of the many sucks. And I'd rather they started ASAP, because I'm not getting any younger.