Patrick Mahomes Might Force Chiefs Hand In 2017

[DaneMcCloud]

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Patrick Mahomes might force Chiefs hand in 2017

The much-lamented quarterback class of 2017 is looking pretty good all of a sudden. Mitchell Trubisky is pushing the Bears decision-making process as much as John Fox can be pushed, Deshaun Watson is going to make Bill O'Brien at least think about his Week 1 status and, most interestingly, Patrick Mahomes has found himself in a perfect situation and is turning heads early.
Do you love Mahomes and consider him the most upside-riddled quarterback of this draft class? Congratulations! You are not actually a special snowflake. Everyone does. Mahomes has a cannon. It's unfair for Alex Smith, a genuinely nice human being who is an average-to-above average quarterback, that he finds himself once again squaring off against a young physical marvel on the depth chart. The good news for Smith is he looks really good this preseason. The bad news is so does Mahomes. Before we get to that, though, how much pressure can this guy actually put on Andy Reid? History tells us there is a good deal Mahomes could do to press Reid into playing him.

Reid waited a while to hand the starting job to the the first quarterback he ever drafted, Donovan McNabb, after taking the Syracuse product No. 2 overall in 1999. And when he finally did, in Week 10, the Eagles were out of the playoff race, sitting at 2-7. After letting McNab take his lumps in a relief role, it was time to see what the highly-drafted rookie had to offer as a full-time starter. McNabb got a rough welcome to the NFL when he made his NFL debut against the Bucs in Week 2, getting sacked six times by the eventual NFC Central champions (remember that this Bucs team was the basis for the eventual Super Bowl championship defense). In a fun twist of fate, the guy McNabb replaced as the starter was Doug Pederson, who is the current Eagles coach and former offensive coordinator for Alex Smith.

Andy Reid waited until Week 10 of Donovan McNabb's rookie season before naming him the starter. Two years later, Reid selected A.J. Feeley in the fifth round of the 2001 NFL Draft. That's not notable for Feeley being a guy who might have taken playing time, but he is another quarterback in a long list of Reid protégés who ended up being traded for a high draft pick. The point being, when Andy Reid latches onto a quarterback in the draft, people take notice. Reid went a long time between taking McNabb early and grabbing another quarterback. Again, notable. If Reid is spending high draft capital on a quarterback, there should be a belief he can win with said quarterback for a long time. He also probably thinks that quarterback is capable of winning and/or playing early. Patrick Mahomes was the 12th player drafted.

Kevin Kolb was the second quarterback taken by Reid with a high pick in his Eagles tenure. Kolb was taken out of Houston with a second-round pick in 2007 (the Eagles actually traded down out of the first round with the Cowboys who took Anthony Spencer). He didn't replace McNabb immediately, but Kolb is also a clear-cut historical marker in terms of Reid making sure he has quarterback insurance. McNabb was battling injuries during that stretch, coming off the Super Bowl loss to the Patriots, and would be gone after 2009.

That year featured a storm of controversy, too, with Michael Vick and Kolb nipping on McNabb's heels for playing time. Ultimately it was McNabb's team, but with Vick and Kolb on the roster, there were plenty of people chirping to see the other options. The backup quarterback is always the most popular guy in town, and that's been the case for Andy Reid's teams in the past.
Vick and Kolb ran the team in 2010 after McNabb left and then Kolb was traded. The "Dream Team" of 2011 followed, but it wouldn't be long before a draft pick caused trouble on the roster again. Nick Foles, taken in the third round of the 2012 NFL Draft, was firmly entrenched in Reid-style controversy within his first year. Foles started six games for Reid in 2012 and that led to serious concern about who should start in 2013, when Foles went 8-2 as a starter under Chip Kelly.

Ultimately what you see from Reid is a history of high draft picks playing early. McNabb was under center three quarters of the way through the season in his rookie year. Kolb was held at bay, but McNabb aged better than Reid expected and it still ended in McNabb being dealt to the Redskins. The Michael Vick thing was a different animal. Er, situation. Foles played quickly, starting multiple games his first year. Which brings us back to Mahomes, who has looked just absolutely tools-y this preseason. Mahomes, who played in Kliff Kingsbury's system at Texas Tech, is going to require some refinement. But he has everything you would want to see in a quarterback from a physical perspective. If you buy into Reid developing quarterbacks -- and why wouldn't you? -- Mahomes is a fascinating prospect. He has underrated speed and is strong enough too take hits and still make throws.

Mahomes is faster and stronger than just about everyone on the field. As a quarterback that is an undeniable advantage. He can shrug off blitzers but he can also deftly evade people coming at him on the rush. And if he needs to, Mahomes can whip a quick throw on short notice. All that is well and good, but the downside of Mahomes is he's not harnessed right now either. He can be, and it's easy to see Reid figuring out how. Mahomes might be a stronger, slightly slower, more twitchy version of McNabb with a better arm. Alex Smith is on notice, although he knew that coming into the preseason. The guess here, two weeks into the season, is that Smith won't lose his job as long as the Chiefs are winning.

If Kansas City falters or the offense looks flat, don't be surprised to see Mahomes. Reid's history makes it clear he is willing to run with a young talent he trusted in the draft. He believes in his quarterback development almost as much as he believes in his talent evaluation. Maybe more.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by Nickhead

don't agree with out of the doghouse part, yet... but...

the stars are aligned, oddly enough in the year that alex is qb, not mahomes.

i say kc wins it all, alex is signed by the giants due to 'the current' streak being broken, and the chiefs don't miss a beat?

I think this is the best team under the Reid tenure....if they stay healthy.

Nearly 40% of KC's season will be nationally televised...usually they get 2 games, tops. When did the Chiefs turn into the Cowboys? Something is weird...

[Nickhead]

if houston, hali, berry, dj, alex, etc... get hurt this year i could see kc parting ways in some way shape or form. not to say all, and it depends on type of injury. but the obvious answer of 'can kc win it all if everyone stays healthy?' the answer is a resounding yes.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

No, we dont...NFL giving KC 6 national broadcasts means they are out of the doghouse.

Chiefs never had Charles for any post-season games (Reid)...they didn't have Ware/Charles for the NE game. Houston has only been truly healthy for the first half of the Colts game. Maclin was out for the Patriots game too..their entire run defense was on IR against the Steelers.

If people are being honest..the only play-off game where the Chiefs were reasonably healthy was against the Texans... and they won 30-0. (Yeah, Hoyer sucks...but they still won their division and were at home. Blanking them is not something that should be marginalized.) They lost the other 3 by a combined 10 points...

Health is going to be the key...as with every other team.

Your Jedi speak doesn't work on me. It is depressing to watch another season the Chiefs trot out Alex Smitty no way around that. Fans will want to go to games in hopes that game is the game Patrick Mahomes II takes the field. They will also go to games because they are indeed fans of the Kansas City Chiefs. We got our asses kicked in prime time by the same team that beat us in the playoffs. Chiefs will be back in the dog house if they let that kind of thing happen again on prime time and it wont be a good look.

Alex Smitty doesn't win us games he lets the defense and ST do it then takes all the credit. He doesn't throw to guys on the field if it is risky because he is selfish in regards doesn't want to tarnish his reputation in not throwing many interceptions so he can't take the blame for losses. At that note he doesn't propel the team for wins he just lets the wins fall in place as they happen.

In playoffs he doesn't propel this team to win because he does the safe way that works for him over the season but that does not work well in the playoffs.

That's the gist on Alex Smitty he is selfish that he doesn't give his teammates a chance to win the game by taking a chance down field.

[BlackOp]

If the NFL powers want the Chiefs in the SB...they can make it happen. All of their play-off losses have come down to a play or two.....

Interesting that I thought GB would be in the SB last year...but seeing that the Falcons have the shiny new Mercedes-Benz Stadium opening this year...I now understand. Just business....

[cooper barrett]

Originally Posted by Nickhead

alex can return next year, again, if he is the driving force to winning a super bowl. anything short of, he is gone. the only problem is the chiefs would want to avoid the guarantees that other teams might pay out for his services (not advocating he stay a chief.). could he retire, sure, but something tells me he won't. he's only 33.

He will play for the Chiefs if the Chiefs want him to do so at $20M as we have a contract option. But if he wins a SB, driving force or not, he becomes something we can sell for an asset in the form of another player we want or a draft pick, or several, plus we open up $20M in salary cap. I do not see the 17%+QB cost as something we can maintain in KC.

YEAR AGE BASE SALARY SIGNING ROSTER WORKOUT
2014 30 $1,000,000 $3,600,000 - -

2015 31 $11,900,000 $3,600,000 - $100,000

2016 32 $14,100,000 $3,600,000 - $100,000

2017 33 $10,800,000 $3,600,000 $2,000,000 $500,000


2018 34 $14,500,000 $3,600,000 $2,000,000 $500,000

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

If the NFL powers want the Chiefs in the SB...they can make it happen. All of their play-off losses have come down to a play or two.....

Interesting that I though GB would be in the SB last year...but seeing that the Falcons have the shiny new Mercedes-Benz Stadium opening this year...I now understand. Just business....

You make football no fun as if it's all scripted. Maybe your right but I don't give shits it's not WWE.

[UK_Chief]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

I think they will find ways to get Patrick on the field even if it is some trickery play against the Donkies on a Monday Night. Andy Reid loves doing those kinds of things.

Mahommes hands it off to Smith?!?

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

You make football no fun as if it's all scripted. Maybe your right but I don't give shits it's not WWE.

I'll go to my grave saying Shanahan threw that SB....no one can convince me that an expert, professional OC doesn't realize he has the game won...it's what he studies every day. Every drunk in every bar knew he had it won.

It's impossible that he suddenly forgot his job...sober...in the biggest moment in sports. It wasn't a pressure situation either...they had the lead. His own QB was like "WTF"?

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

I'll go to my grave saying Shanahan threw that SB....no one can convince me that an expert, professional OC doesn't realize he has the game won...it's what he studies every day. Every drunk in every bar knew he had it won.

It's impossible that he suddenly forgot his job...sober...in the biggest moment in sports. It wasn't a pressure situation either...they had the lead. His own QB was like "WTF"?

& I'm saying it's not scripted but I don't rule out cheaters on an individual cases. That's not to say games aren't influenced by refs under the pocket of MOB like happened to that NBA ref some years ago I'm sure it happens today. There maybe even powers at be but don't tell me Super Stars are going risk injury like Joe Thiesman under LT and end his career those things happen. It's true Jerry Rice admitted to cheaitng in 2015 that he used stickum on his gloves knowing it was banned in the NFL. He tarnished his legacy by doing that. He acted on his own accord in doing so giving him an unfair advantage but I don't think outside a few close to him knew it.


I'm not naive that cheating doesn't happen but I'm not gullible to believe everything is a conspiracy and or scripted out for the season.

[Nickhead]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

I'll go to my grave saying Shanahan threw that SB....no one can convince me that an expert, professional OC doesn't realize he has the game won...it's what he studies every day. Every drunk in every bar knew he had it won.

It's impossible that he suddenly forgot his job...sober...in the biggest moment in sports. It wasn't a pressure situation either...they had the lead. His own QB was like "WTF"?

yeah, the first thing a head coach candidate wants on his resume, is losing a super bowl after being up by 25.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

We have reached the one and only time that I find myself enjoying Reid's nonsensical coach-speak.
FINALLY.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

If the NFL powers want the Chiefs in the SB...they can make it happen. All of their play-off losses have come down to a play or two.....

Interesting that I thought GB would be in the SB last year...but seeing that the Falcons have the shiny new Mercedes-Benz Stadium opening this year...I now understand. Just business....

So your theory on who would be manipulated into the SB last year was wrong so you found a different theory and you think that is further evidence that the NFL is obvious in what they are doing?

So obvious that even someone like you who is on to them had to readjust what he predicted?

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Frazod

I'll say this - there's only one way the Chiefs will ever win the Super Bowl - that's with a charismatic, stud gunslinger QB who garners national attention. One who not only wins games, but captures the imagination, and jersey-sale dollars, of all those soulless bandwagon scumbags who fawn over whoever ESPN tells them to. When Mahomes can line up with the likes of Manning, Brady and Roethlisburger, that's when shit will start to fall in place. That's when those crushing phantom calls and obvious non-calls that nobody cares about but us start going against the other guys. That's when we start being an elite team and stop being a shiny red doormat for the elite teams. Seriously, if Manning can win it all in ****ing shithole Indianapolis, Mahomes can do it in Kansas City.

But Alice can't. He will NEVER be that guy. And every game he starts just delays the future that much more. Get him the **** out of here now while we can get real value for him and jump start the future.

Yep. I've been saying this since that playoff game.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

So your theory on who would be manipulated into the SB last year was wrong so you found a different theory and you think that is further evidence that the NFL is obvious in what they are doing?

So obvious that even someone like you who is on to them had to readjust what he predicted?

No..I didn't realize they were opening their new stadium this year.

I predicted the Brady revenge tour last off-season...I DID pick the SB winner.

While KC had a good year...I cant see why the NFL would give them the most nationally broacasted games. They are a small market team...with a marginal mid-west following. The Cowboys went 13-3.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by penbrook

The only one you highlighted where I see no chnace of cutting is Parker. Dude is a top 5 FS. Other than that if DJ is like old DJ he will stay but if he's a liability he's gone. Bailey will have to prove it this year. And Smitty needs to win the AFCCG if he doesn't want to get cut

They drafted Eric Murray last year. Do you think there is no chance he replaces Parker? I think there's a very good chance.