Browns Trade OL Cam Erving To Chiefs

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Tamba, DJ and Alex won't be here next year.

I'm not really sure why anyone thought that was ever likely to be honest.

Or why a 5th round pick was going to be what replaced them.

The Chiefs are down on draft capital, yes. But that ship sailed when they traded their 1st. They still have 2, 3, 4 and 6. The 7th means precisely **** all.

The odds of that 5th rounder being the guy that replaces Hali/DJ or the backup QB are pretty damn remote.

I just can't bring myself to care about the loss of a 5th. Meanwhile, if this trade allows us to move on from Reid or not extend Fulton, it creates cap savings that would allow us to find creative methods to deal with other openings on the roster.

If you can turn a 5th into an asset of any sort, you do it. Now the question remains whether or not he's an actual asset (which is why I said yesterday I'd probably only give a 6th for him) but a 5th vs. a 6th isn't that much to worry about. If he can play in any meaningful capacity, this will be a much better use of the 5th in '18 than the pick itself would've yielded.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Or why a 5th round pick was going to be what replaced them.

The Chiefs are down on draft capital, yes. But that ship sailed when they traded their 1st. They still have 2, 3, 4 and 6. The 7th means precisely **** all.

The odds of that 5th rounder being the guy that replaces Hali/DJ or the backup QB are pretty damn remote.

I just can't bring myself to care about the loss of a 5th. Meanwhile, if this trade allows us to move on from Reid or not extend Fulton, it creates cap savings that would allow us to find creative methods to deal with other openings on the roster.

If you can turn a 5th into an asset of any sort, you do it. Now the question remains whether or not he's an actual asset (which is why I said yesterday I'd probably only give a 6th for him) but a 5th vs. a 6th isn't that much to worry about. If he can play in any meaningful capacity, this will be a much better use of the 5th in '18 than the pick itself would've yielded.

Some of the draft pundits on twitter are all up in arms over it. Hell, even the over the cap guy is all doom and gloom in 2018 for the chiefs due to high contracts and such.

I don't see any way, barring something crazy like a super bowl win, that Alex and tamba are here next year.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Some of the draft pundits on twitter are all up in arms over it. Hell, even the over the cap guy is all doom and gloom in 2018 for the chiefs due to high contracts and such.

I don't see any way, barring something crazy like a super bowl win, that Alex and tamba are here next year.

The writing was on the wall the moment the LDT contract was signed. It was obvious they were preparing for a world without Smith and Hali. I think the Ragland deal suggests that DJ is unlikely to return as well.

There's $42 million that can come off that cap in Smith, Hali, DJ and Reid. If Bailey has a strong, healthy year you'll extend him and reduce that $8 million figure for next season and if he doesn't have a strong, healthy year you'll move on from him.

This team's gonna be fine on the cap next season.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The writing was on the wall the moment the LDT contract was signed. It was obvious they were preparing for a world without Smith and Hali. I think the Ragland deal suggests that DJ is unlikely to return as well.

There's $42 million that can come off that cap in Smith, Hali, DJ and Reid. If Bailey has a strong, healthy year you'll extend him and reduce that $8 million figure for next season and if he doesn't have a strong, healthy year you'll move on from him.

This team's gonna be fine on the cap next season.

If they do that specific permutation of events they're fine on the cap.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

If they do that specific permutation of events they're fine on the cap.

Well, there's absolutely no way that Hali and Reid are with the Chiefs in 2018 and Reid's unlikely to make the 53 this year.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

If they do that specific permutation of events they're fine on the cap.

Why wouldn't they?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

If they do that specific permutation of events they're fine on the cap.

Sure.

And if they have to, that's exactly what they'll do and it wouldn't really hurt them too badly. Worst case scenario is that DJ/Hali cut their figures in half via additional restructuring.

Smith's gone. They're not carrying him at $20 million if Mahomes shows anything at all in terms of development this year.

The point being that they have options and those options aren't catastrophic. Moreover, an extra 5th round pick would've done precisely dick to truly change those options/outcomes.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The writing was on the wall the moment the LDT contract was signed. It was obvious they were preparing for a world without Smith and Hali. I think the Ragland deal suggests that DJ is unlikely to return as well.

There's $42 million that can come off that cap in Smith, Hali, DJ and Reid. If Bailey has a strong, healthy year you'll extend him and reduce that $8 million figure for next season and if he doesn't have a strong, healthy year you'll move on from him.

This team's gonna be fine on the cap next season.

I could see Parker being gone as well.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I could see Parker being gone as well.

I can only see Parker cut if Murray and/or McQuay are ready to replace him and I don't think McQuay even makes the 53 this year.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I could see Parker being gone as well.

I thought about putting him in that group but I'm not impressed by Murray just yet. I'd have to see more first.

And he's at an age where he's not going to want to see the market. If they approach him with a salary cut, I'd imagine they can get one done. If they need to free that up, they'll reduce his '18 and '19 salaries by turning '18 into a bonus and reducing the salaries for both years. They may end up keeping him in '19 if he's still effective but it's always critical to remind yourself that Ron Parker is much much older than we realize.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I thought about putting him in that group but I'm not impressed by Murray just yet. I'd have to see more first.

And he's at an age where he's not going to want to see the market. If they approach him with a salary cut, I'd imagine they can get one done. If they need to free that up, they'll reduce his '18 and '19 salaries by turning '18 into a bonus and reducing the salaries for both years. They may end up keeping him in '19 if he's still effective but it's always critical to remind yourself that Ron Parker is much much older than we realize.

I think Parker and Bailey are the guys we should keep around for a couple more years.

I'm already considering Hali/DJ/Alex gone next year.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I think Parker and Bailey are the guys we should keep around for a couple more years.

I'm already considering Hali/DJ/Alex gone next year.

This. I think Parker is one of the most underrated safeties in the league. Who the **** worries about what Parker is doing? Not me. He's rarely a problem.

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[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Or why a 5th round pick was going to be what replaced them.

The Chiefs are down on draft capital, yes. But that ship sailed when they traded their 1st. They still have 2, 3, 4 and 6. The 7th means precisely **** all.

The odds of that 5th rounder being the guy that replaces Hali/DJ or the backup QB are pretty damn remote.

I just can't bring myself to care about the loss of a 5th. Meanwhile, if this trade allows us to move on from Reid or not extend Fulton, it creates cap savings that would allow us to find creative methods to deal with other openings on the roster.

If you can turn a 5th into an asset of any sort, you do it. Now the question remains whether or not he's an actual asset (which is why I said yesterday I'd probably only give a 6th for him) but a 5th vs. a 6th isn't that much to worry about. If he can play in any meaningful capacity, this will be a much better use of the 5th in '18 than the pick itself would've yielded.

It looks like both of these trades help the team for now and 2018 specifically.

Zach Fulton is in a contract year. He's likely gone next year, hopefully to a smart team that wants to pay him a decent contract to play C. In reality, Dorsey would have likely drafted that replacement in next years draft with a 4th or 5th anyway.

DJ could be done at any moment and we have plenty of good options to explore, including a would-be first rd pick.

This is going to save us money as well as great depth from small risk moves.