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Old 08-30-2017, 11:49 AM  
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Browns Trade OL Cam Erving To Chiefs
For a 2018 5th Round pick.
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:53 AM   #361
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And with that....it makes a ton of sense to see what you have in Kizer this year. He could be your QBoTF or he could be another Jimmy Clausen scenario.
Exactly. And with all of their picks, they could still take a QB in the Top 5, let him sit for a year (especially if they choose Josh Allen) and flip Kizer for a pick.

They basically have endless options.
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:54 AM   #362
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I agree with Dane here.

I love what the Browns are doing.
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:56 AM   #363
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It's a little difficult to judge Wentz because his receiving corp was just so awful last year.

He reminded me of Rothlisberger pre-draft and looked the part for a while.

It'll be interesting to see if Goff makes any type of advancement this year but the Rams roster is so depleted that it could be difficult to assess him, too.

I still can't figure out why Les Snead has a job but that's a different subject altogether.
Yeah Snead sucks.

I dunno, I just don't see wentz as this can't miss type guy. Maybe I need to watch him more
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Old 08-31-2017, 10:07 AM   #364
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I love what the Browns are doing.
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Old 08-31-2017, 10:08 AM   #365
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I agree with Dane here.

I love what the Browns are doing.
This year, but not last year IMO. They let 2 elite OL walk last year in Mack/Schwartz.

They could have kept 3 of Joe Thomas, Joel Bitonio, Alex Mack and Mitchell Schwartz. Instead they only kept 2 and tried overpaying for FA's this season.
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Old 08-31-2017, 10:17 AM   #366
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I agree with Dane here.

I love what the Browns are doing.
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Old 08-31-2017, 10:18 AM   #367
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And with that....it makes a ton of sense to see what you have in Kizer this year. He could be your QBoTF or he could be another Jimmy Clausen scenario.
They took a rookie QB high after gutting their offensive weapons and then further degraded their O line.

Brilliant...
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Coleman, Peppers, Garrett, Kirksey, Ogbah, Shelton, Njoku, Biotnio

You guys can laugh and facepalm all you want, but the Browns are going to be good if they continue to add talent like this, and they will.
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Old 08-31-2017, 10:34 AM   #370
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Coleman, Peppers, Garrett, Kirksey, Ogbah, Shelton, Njoku, Biotnio

You guys can laugh and facepalm all you want, but the Browns are going to be good if they continue to add talent like this, and they will.
All depends on Kizer. I loved what they did this year, but goddamn did they **** up last year.

Think of how good would they be if they just kept Mitchell Schwartz and drafted Carson Wentz instead of trading for a speed receiver?

Give me the best QB since Luck.
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Body balance and agility/footwork are most important at C and T.

At G you can have a slow-footed mauler who's only job is to march forward and muscle a guy away.

There's enough NFL tape on this guy to know he plays too high, doesn't anchor well, and has $3it footwork. At G he's got a former OL in Reid to coach him up and only ask him to go hunt.

On a ton of our misdirection running plays we use zone blocking and he'd be attacking the defender at an angle instead of marching backwards and trying to hold ground (which he's clearly terrible at.)
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All depends on Kizer. I loved what they did this year, but goddamn did they **** up last year.

Think of how good would they be if they just kept Mitchell Schwartz and drafted Carson Wentz instead of trading for a speed receiver?

Give me the best QB since Luck.
Jameis Winston wasn't available last year
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Partially gutting your OL and starting a rookie QB behind the new line is rarely a good idea.
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Partially gutting your OL and starting a rookie QB behind the new line is rarely a good idea.
Combine that with almost 0 talent at HB and WR...
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The Browns are NOT employing "Moneyball".

NFL teams have to spend within 99% of the Cap Limit over a 4 year period. Baseball has no such rule.

The Browns are NOT going out and getting guys on the cheap, they're loading up on draft picks in order to select the best player that fits there system that's available.

They have SIX picks in the Top 100 in 2018 and they'll probably continue to stockpile talent and move around in the draft.

It won't be very long until they're a contender year in and year out.
Two years in a row they traded out of a top 15 pick.

And they hit their cap minimum because they traded for osweiler so they can absorb his ridiculous contract in order to hit the cap floor.

Again, nothing wrong with stockpiling picks and giving away veterans in a rebuild. The strategy isn't wrong. I just wonder if there's some arrogance in constantly trading out of high first round picks and believing your entire roster should be built in the later rounds. Especially at the qb position.

And depodesta is a moneyball guy. Its fair to ask if he's trying to prove that he can win on value picks. Maybe he can. But there's clearly an agenda.
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