Chiefs Andy needs to start Mahomes this year, not 2018 - Page 10

RunKC · 08-31-2017, 10:36 PM

I know we are all still trying to get our boners down from Pat's incredible showing tonight, but in reality, Mahomes is not that far away from starting.

Can anyone outline the benefit of Mahomes sitting all season compared to him playing a handful of games at the end of the season, or even taking over at midseason? The real answer here is there is no downside. He's not going to get ruined.

And let's be clear on something else: this shouldn't be Alex's "last chance no matter what season". The only way he should be starting is if he's scoring points and doing what he's never done before, which won't happen. Otherwise Pat should start when he's ready.

We all agree that the kid has made some rookie mistakes and needs to work on some things, but look at how far he's come in 3 months? Imagine how much better he'll be in 2-2 1/2 more months.

Pat took chicken shit and turned it into chicken salad. He took the starters and drove down the field and scored a TD on the Bengals starters for Christ sakes.
I get that teams aren't gameplanning for the kid, but when they do, Andy will show his value and help him as that's one of his best strengths.

The end game is already known with Alex. We might as well get this kid some time in November on and roll with him to the playoffs and see what happens.

**The Franchise** · 09-01-2017, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

He's a rookie and will lose games.

I can't even begin to understand wanting to miss the playoffs just to start a QB earlier because you don't have patience. The kid is 21 and will be ours for like 15 years. Starting him this year is so stupid I don't know where to start. This team won 12 games last year and can again. Enjoy the moment for pete's sake.

What games that Smith won last year do you think that Mahomes can't?

Now go back and look at the games that Smith lost last year and tell me if Mahomes couldn't win those?

Does anyone realistically think that Mahomes couldn't put up the same numbers that Smith did last year? Would we have more INTs....possibly. Would we have more TDs? Most definitely.

Halfcan · 09-01-2017, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

God I hate this.

Have some patience ffs. Mahomes does not need to start until 2018. I'm the biggest Mahomes supporter in the world but it's dumb to sacrifice a playoff season because you aren't patient.

The Chiefs would absolutely not make the playoffs with Mahomes starting.

Yes, Mahomes will make mistakes and maybe even cost us a game but he also brings a shot of adrenaline to the team that Alex has NEVER brought. Mahomes was the best QB during the preseason. I think he gives us at least an equal chance to make the playoffs as Alex.

It is redundant to keep guessing because Andy has made the choice- let's hope its the right one.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-01-2017, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

He's a rookie and will lose games.

I can't even begin to understand wanting to miss the playoffs just to start a QB earlier because you don't have patience. The kid is 21 and will be ours for like 15 years. Starting him this year is so stupid I don't know where to start. This team won 12 games last year and can again. Enjoy the moment for pete's sake.

Please tell me what exactly another short-lived trip to the NFL playoffs accomplishes for the Chiefs besides giving dumbasses with no patience for QB development another pointless notch in the "look at me"-belt?

Because, you DO realize that we have reached the point where bench-sitting is absolutely pointless for Patrick's development, yes?

You DO realize that, yes?

Yes.

NO ONE on all of God's earth, Reid and staff included, realistically believed that Mahomes was going to advance at the light speed he has demonstrated since rookie OTA's.
The only thing he has failed at this off season( if you can even call it that ), is not having an opportunity to run with the ones to demonstrate once and for all that he is ready to lead this franchise going forward.

Unless Smith hits the MRI followed by a goodbye speech to the league, this season is an absolute waste for Mahomes, the Chiefs, and the fans who have waited for this day far, FAR too long.

Good day, sir.

I SAID GOOD DAY!

Rasputin · 09-01-2017, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

What games that Smith won last year do you think that Mahomes can't?

Now go back and look at the games that Smith lost last year and tell me if Mahomes couldn't win those?

Does anyone realistically think that Mahomes couldn't put up the same numbers that Smith did last year? Would we have more INTs....possibly. Would we have more TDs? Most definitely.

I'm not buying he would throw many int. He didn't throw many in college and he average 60 attempts a game and he didn't throw many at TC and although close but has zero in preseason. What more can the kid prove?

**Bowser** · 09-01-2017, 11:42 AM

saphojunkie · 09-01-2017, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

yeah how did that turn out for marino?

I'm not really serious but maybe at least give an example of a superbowl winner

Ben Roethlisberger went to the AFC championship as a rookie and then won the super bowl the next year.

Iczer · 09-01-2017, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Dudes I'm not a Smith supporter but saying he doesn't win games...

That's like the ONLY thing he does

QB wins is such a horrible stat. What games did Alex single handily take over and win? Was it his scintillating 15 TD throws? Or was it his career low 134 rushing yards last year, that made him such so dangerous with his ability to scramble.

If all you're going to do is ask your QB to make the safe throws and try not to lose a game, rely on your defense to win the turnover battle. Then Smith is your man.

Mahomes will not be that way, I look forward to when he starts.

jaa1025 · 09-01-2017, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

He's a rookie and will lose games.

I can't even begin to understand wanting to miss the playoffs just to start a QB earlier because you don't have patience. The kid is 21 and will be ours for like 15 years. Starting him this year is so stupid I don't know where to start. This team won 12 games last year and can again. Enjoy the moment for pete's sake.

Alex Smith is a vet and lost 2 games last year because of horrible interceptions. Mr. Game Manager-doesn't-make-mistakes made horrible mistakes during his career here. The difference between Smith's and Mahomes mistakes is that Mahomes will go out and win games. Alex Smith has never and will never be able to put his team on his shoulder.

Kiimo · 09-01-2017, 11:44 AM

He would absolutely throw interceptions. We have seen him throw several that was saved by the booth. Peyton Freaking Manning, maybe the most cerebral QB of all time threw 28 interceptions starting his rookie year.

I get that we're all excited but stop being intellectually dishonest about this. We were all excited to have him sit a year and learn. Now we've seen the arm talent we expected to see and you're all ready to sacrifice the playoffs to see it sooner. Well playoffs don't come every year and frankly I want to enjoy every postseason I can.

saphojunkie · 09-01-2017, 11:46 AM

Also, Kiimo you're thinking of this like, Mahomes starting this year means him starting week one. I would love to see him start week 10. We'll be coming off a bye, have a bunch of home games left, and it would give him almost an entire half season under his belt (seven more games and potential playoff game).

Sitting and learning is great, but the best way to learn is by doing. Reid started McNabb in week nine, and I would imagine that's really all the time you need to know the offense and understand what's going on.

Also, I think interceptions are wildly overrated. I'd rather have a QB who throws three TD and two INT than a QB who throws 1TD and 0 INT (on the regular). The math supports that, as well.

saphojunkie · 09-01-2017, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

He would absolutely throw interceptions. We have seen him throw several that was saved by the booth. Peyton Freaking Manning, maybe the most cerebral QB of all time threw 28 interceptions starting his rookie year.

I get that we're all excited but stop being intellectually dishonest about this. We were all excited to have him sit a year and learn. Now we've seen the arm talent we expected to see and you're all ready to sacrifice the playoffs to see it sooner. Well playoffs don't come every year and frankly I want to enjoy every postseason I can.

Dude, why are you categorically saying we miss the playoffs if he starts? Because I don't think Alex Smith has played 16 games a single time since coming to KC. The odds are... Mahomes is starting at least one game this year and likely more.

**The Franchise** · 09-01-2017, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

He would absolutely throw interceptions. We have seen him throw several that was saved by the booth. Peyton Freaking Manning, maybe the most cerebral QB of all time threw 28 interceptions starting his rookie year.

I get that we're all excited but stop being intellectually dishonest about this. We were all excited to have him sit a year and learn. Now we've seen the arm talent we expected to see and you're all ready to sacrifice the playoffs to see it sooner. Well playoffs don't come every year and frankly I want to enjoy every postseason I can.

Saved by the booth? You mean proven to not be an INT.....right? ****ing stupid.

Kiimo · 09-01-2017, 11:50 AM

I'm categorically saying we miss the playoffs if he starts. Signing my name to it.

I just think everyone is way too caught up in sucking each others' dicks about this whole thing. Reid is not starting a rookie over his QB who keeps winning games. Period.

And he shouldn't.

RunKC · 09-01-2017, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

He would absolutely throw interceptions. We have seen him throw several that was saved by the booth. Peyton Freaking Manning, maybe the most cerebral QB of all time threw 30 interceptions starting his rookie year.

I get that we're all excited but stop being intellectually dishonest about this. We were all excited to have him sit a year and learn. Now we've seen the arm talent we expected to see and you're all ready to sacrifice the playoffs to see it sooner. Well playoffs don't come every year and frankly I want to enjoy every postseason I can.

Andy would change many things to prevent INT's.

You're forgetting that Andy is one of the best coaches at scheming. Why do to think Alex doesn't throw many picks? It's because Andy purposely designs screens and quick safe passes that are risk averse.
Once Alex throws a pick, Andy goes into ultra safe conservative mode.

He'd do the same thing with Pat.

Kiimo · 09-01-2017, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Saved by the booth? You mean proven to not be an INT.....right? ****ing stupid.

Do you not understand what I mean or something? Do you not get that those throws were bad and should be interceptions? Or do you think that the fact that they had a foot out of bounds should be the part of equation that we should bet on going forward?

08-31-2017, 10:36 PM
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $1919611	Andy needs to start Mahomes this year, not 2018 I know we are all still trying to get our boners down from Pat's incredible showing tonight, but in reality, Mahomes is not that far away from starting. Can anyone outline the benefit of Mahomes sitting all season compared to him playing a handful of games at the end of the season, or even taking over at midseason? The real answer here is there is no downside. He's not going to get ruined. And let's be clear on something else: this shouldn't be Alex's "last chance no matter what season". The only way he should be starting is if he's scoring points and doing what he's never done before, which won't happen. Otherwise Pat should start when he's ready. We all agree that the kid has made some rookie mistakes and needs to work on some things, but look at how far he's come in 3 months? Imagine how much better he'll be in 2-2 1/2 more months. Pat took chicken shit and turned it into chicken salad. He took the starters and drove down the field and scored a TD on the Bengals starters for Christ sakes. I get that teams aren't gameplanning for the kid, but when they do, Andy will show his value and help him as that's one of his best strengths. The end game is already known with Alex. We might as well get this kid some time in November on and roll with him to the playoffs and see what happens.
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Kiimo MVP Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Studio City, CA Casino cash: $3758742	He would absolutely throw interceptions. We have seen him throw several that was saved by the booth. Peyton Freaking Manning, maybe the most cerebral QB of all time threw 28 interceptions starting his rookie year. I get that we're all excited but stop being intellectually dishonest about this. We were all excited to have him sit a year and learn. Now we've seen the arm talent we expected to see and you're all ready to sacrifice the playoffs to see it sooner. Well playoffs don't come every year and frankly I want to enjoy every postseason I can.
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saphojunkie MVP Join Date: Aug 2011 Casino cash: $4516550	Also, Kiimo you're thinking of this like, Mahomes starting this year means him starting week one. I would love to see him start week 10. We'll be coming off a bye, have a bunch of home games left, and it would give him almost an entire half season under his belt (seven more games and potential playoff game). Sitting and learning is great, but the best way to learn is by doing. Reid started McNabb in week nine, and I would imagine that's really all the time you need to know the offense and understand what's going on. Also, I think interceptions are wildly overrated. I'd rather have a QB who throws three TD and two INT than a QB who throws 1TD and 0 INT (on the regular). The math supports that, as well.
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Kiimo MVP Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Studio City, CA Casino cash: $3758742	I'm categorically saying we miss the playoffs if he starts. Signing my name to it. I just think everyone is way too caught up in sucking each others' dicks about this whole thing. Reid is not starting a rookie over his QB who keeps winning games. Period. And he shouldn't.
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