KC's Harley Davidson plant to close

[Randallflagg]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

blaming the union for management failures. Unless Harley Davidson is completely reeruned there's a provision near the front of each contract that goes something like "Harley Davidson has the right to run the business as they see fit."

I have to agree here. My family was fairly "anti-union" and I was, as well, until I retired from the Army and ended up in a Union job. I wasn't in the Union (management) but the rank and file was.

I can only say that those guys (without) a union would have been screwed to hell and back. They worked their asses off, and I can only imagine what their jobs would have been like without representation. I had always heard that "the union takes all your money" - that's nonsense. back in the late 80s (when I started there) they were charged $34.00 per month. When I retired in 2014 - they were paying $50.00 per month and that included Health Insurance and pension.

So yeah, I'm not a HUGE union guy - but I DEFINITELY see the need for them.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by BiStateNo

I have to agree here. My family was fairly "anti-union" and I was, as well, until I retired from the Army and ended up in a Union job. I wasn't in the Union (management) but the rank and file was.

I can only say that those guys (without) a union would have been screwed to hell and back. They worked their asses off, and I can only imagine what their jobs would have been like without representation. I had always heard that "the union takes all your money" - that's nonsense. back in the late 80s (when I started there) they were charged $34.00 per month. When I retired in 2014 - they were paying $50.00 per month and that included Health Insurance and pension.

So yeah, I'm not a HUGE union guy - but I DEFINITELY see the need for them.

I ****ing despise the upper ranks of the IUAW, but I'd sure as shit rather have them than not.