Marcus Peters also had verbal altercation with assistant coach Sunday

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Even if the Chiefs are able to acquire a safety, NT, WILL, LG, SWR, et al, I wouldn't consider them an "ascending" team.

2019? Yeah, after a two drafts and two offseasons under Veach, along with Mahomes heading into his 3rd season, I hope like hell they're an ascending team.

I just can't see it in 2018, without something miraculous happening, Because Chiefs.

Well the offense is ascending with 3 elite playmakers and a young QB that a lot of folks feel is special.

Defense was still 15th in points allowed despite a plethora of players starting that are horrible. Berry coming back as normal is the deal breaker, but a couple of nice contributors in FA and a 2nd rd pick with immediate dividends (safety) would surely make this defense top 10 in points allowed.

I think Veach shares your mindset and will be making more moves to get new young talent in the next 2 months.

[Buckweath]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Well the offense is ascending with 3 elite playmakers and a young QB that a lot of folks feel is special.

Defense was still 15th in points allowed despite a plethora of players starting that are horrible. Berry coming back as normal is the deal breaker, but a couple of nice contributors in FA and a 2nd rd pick with immediate dividends (safety) would surely make this defense top 10 in points allowed.

I think Veach shares your mindset and will be making more moves to get new young talent in the next 2 months.

Berry coming back will not make the team better. Everytime I read that argument in the offseason and it makes no sense. He was already part of the team to begin with. You get Berry back but let's say you will lose one of Peters, Jones, Houston, Hill or Kelce for the season. It is the same every season. You get your injured players back for the new season but you are about to lose roughly the equivalent.

The year before people said the defense is getting Houston back. It will help. But look, they lost Berry. The defense was worse.

[Willie Lanier]

Originally Posted by Buckweath

Berry coming back will not make the team better. Everytime I read that argument in the offseason and it makes no sense. He was already part of the team to begin with. You get Berry back but let's say you will lose one of Peters, Jones, Houston, Hill or Kelce for the season. It is the same every season. You get your injured players back for the new season but you are about to lose roughly the equivalent.

The year before people said the defense is getting Houston back. It will help. But look, they lost Berry. The defense was worse.

That is some ass backwards logic you're proclaiming...

Think about it logically - an elite player (who also holds the credentials of the unquestioned locker room leader) returns, the team should see that as a plus...

Your stupid hypothetical doesn't mean dick until it happens...

Are you a masochist or just a pessimist?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by Buckweath

Berry coming back will not make the team better. Everytime I read that argument in the offseason and it makes no sense. He was already part of the team to begin with. You get Berry back but let's say you will lose one of Peters, Jones, Houston, Hill or Kelce for the season. It is the same every season. You get your injured players back for the new season but you are about to lose roughly the equivalent.

The year before people said the defense is getting Houston back. It will help. But look, they lost Berry. The defense was worse.

Absolutely goofy thought process here.

The Chiefs get back the guy who won them multiple games in 2016 with game changing plays, and that isn’t going to make them better? They literally had to pull the guy off of the sidelines during pregame this year to lead the huddle because there was such a massive leadership void left in the wake of his injury.

Assuming that player X is going to get hurt is speculation and doesn’t apply to the conversation right now.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by Buckweath

Berry coming back will not make the team better. Everytime I read that argument in the offseason and it makes no sense. He was already part of the team to begin with. You get Berry back but let's say you will lose one of Peters, Jones, Houston, Hill or Kelce for the season. It is the same every season. You get your injured players back for the new season but you are about to lose roughly the equivalent.

The year before people said the defense is getting Houston back. It will help. But look, they lost Berry. The defense was worse.

Berry played the majority of the 1st game against the Pats doing a stellar job against Gronk. Do the Chiefs still win that game IF Berry does not play at all with a wide open Gronk for the whole game ?;, because you know nobody else in our 2ndary could have covered him let alone tackle him. Yes our offense was on fire BUT if Berry doesn't play at all it is a much closer game IMHO. Berry DOES make a difference for sure. IF Berry plays against the Titans do we win then ? I say YES !!