KU ***** Official 2017-2018 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread ***** - Page 265

saphojunkie · 09:44 AM

**** the elite 8. Final Four or bust, baby.

Will update as people declare for the draft/transfer/commit

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**BigRedChief** · 03-30-2018, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Al Czervik

Romeo ruled out Louisville in late September. I know the new coach reached out to his dad, but Louisville has been out of the picture for about 6 months. Its been Vandy, Indiana, and KU since.

FYI

I thought this guy was so good he starts on any team in college BB. Help me out here, not up on the intricate inter-workings of a kids college decision.

We already have a deep team next year. If he's concerned about playing time, thats already there. Newman staying would be the straw/camel thing that send him elsewhere?

Mr. Plow · 03-30-2018, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Lose? According to KenPom we are going to get embarrassed. You should have started worrying days ago.....

It'll be our 5th straight loss in this tourney. All of the others have been close losses, so it's probably time for us to get embarrassed in one.

sedated · 03-30-2018, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I thought this guy was so good he starts on any team in college BB.

Cliff Alexander was the #2 recruit in the country and only started 1 game out of 23.

KC_Connection · 03-30-2018, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Anyway to find KU's short term Kenpom rating? Games only taking into account from 10 games ago onward when Newman came into his own and De Sousa finally learned to play like a man? This is going to be a dogfight. Let it fly. I like our chances. I think it's more a 40/60 game. I'm damn happy with it only being 40%. Graham is about to go ****ing off.

No, but I can note that our KenPom rating hasn't changed all that much this tournament as they have all been close wins.

BWillie · 03-30-2018, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg

Are you trying to rock a rhyme on time because its tricky.

I spit hot fire mother ****ers

KC_Correction · 03-30-2018, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

No, but I can note that our KenPom rating hasn't changed all that much this tournament as they have all been close wins.

Anyone who actually watched the games and weren't on fake international flights would know that the Penn, Seton Hall and Clemson games weren't close, despite what the scores may have read - at no point did I ever fear KU wouldn't win any of those games.

KU got lucky to beat Duke in the sense they missed 4 wide open 3s in regulation and Grayson Allen's shot missed by the hair of a **** - but anyone who watched that game knows KU dominated that game and were the better team - even if they weren't the more talented team. They had a ton of careless turnovers and the referees didn't seem to think Duke ever fouled - and they weren't the recipients of very many 50/50 calls until that ridiculous make-up call in OT on the Newman 'block' that fouled out Carter.

If KU's Kenpom rating hasn't improved since Malik Newman became tournament Kemba Walker - then Kenpom is about as flawed as 1st base defensive metrics in baseball.

I expect the Nova - KU game to come down to the last 90 seconds - whether or not that turns into a 5 point game either way I do not know - but this game has the makings of a classic.

If Malik scores 20+ points, KU will win this game.

KC_Correction · 03-30-2018, 11:09 AM

The KU/Nova Elite 8 game a few years back has Devonte Graham revenge game written all over it - they fouled him out of that game on some of the biggest bullshit calls I can remember.

I'm thinking this game ends up being a game that comes down to the very end - but I am quite confident that KU will not be blown out. I really only see two possible outcomes to this game - either a close game that comes down to the last 90 seconds - or KU rides their wave of momentum playing with house money of sorts and wins by 15+ because they get hot from 3

Either way, I'm excited.

KC_Connection · 03-30-2018, 12:02 PM

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...cid=538twitter

KC_Connection · 03-30-2018, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Correction

Anyone who actually watched the games and weren't on fake international flights would know that the Penn, Seton Hall and Clemson games weren't close, despite what the scores may have read - at no point did I ever fear KU wouldn't win any of those games.

Oh, I'm afraid there was nothing fake about that flight. I got the last call for it just as Allen missed the shot to go into overtime and had to watch the last few minutes on my phone on a stream.

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KU got lucky to beat Duke in the sense they missed 4 wide open 3s in regulation and Grayson Allen's shot missed by the hair of a **** - but anyone who watched that game knows KU dominated that game and were the better team - even if they weren't the more talented team. They had a ton of careless turnovers and the referees didn't seem to think Duke ever fouled - and they weren't the recipients of very many 50/50 calls until that ridiculous make-up call in OT on the Newman 'block' that fouled out Carter.

I didn't think they were too lucky to beat Duke. Duke got more calls, Self forced Duke into the shots he wanted them to take and they were pretty much getting what they wanted on offense for the entirety of the 2nd half (they were just missing shots at the end). Duke's the better team and would probably prove it over a larger sample size but they weren't on that day.

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If KU's Kenpom rating hasn't improved since Malik Newman became tournament Kemba Walker - then Kenpom is about as flawed as 1st base defensive metrics in baseball.

Hasn't improved much and why would it have? It's not like this is the 2008 team blowing everyone out. They are winning these games by one or two possessions, which is what these games were projected to be at the beginning of them.

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I expect the Nova - KU game to come down to the last 90 seconds - whether or not that turns into a 5 point game either way I do not know - but this game has the makings of a classic.

If Malik scores 20+ points, KU will win this game.

If KU wants to win, they are going to have to try to take more threes than Villanova. It's going to be incredibly difficult for them to stop their offense (I don't think Udoka will even be able to play against this team if they have any intention of doing that and I'm very interested to see how Self handles it when Spellman makes a three), so they will have to out score them and to do that they have to take threes at a rate they haven't done all season.

BWillie · 03-30-2018, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...cid=538twitter

Not sure if that is a good barometer. Most mid major and crappy conference teams shoot more threes, because it's easier to recruit short, less athletic shooters and play more guard oriented offenses. Of the Top 50 in D1 3PT FG attempts per game, only 4 of them are from BCS or Power 5 schools + Big East.

KC_Connection · 03-30-2018, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Not sure if that is a good barometer. Most mid major and crappy conference teams shoot more threes, because it's easier to recruit short, less athletic shooters and play more guard oriented offenses. Of the Top 50 in D1 3PT FG attempts per game, only 4 of them are from BCS or Power 5 schools + Big East.

If you aren't taking more threes than everyone else, it is simply a disadvantage in basketball these days. Open threes are just the most efficient shot in basketball that isn't an open dunk/layup (although I can agree that Self's offenses of the past were predicated on getting exactly those shots).

NCAA is just finally catching up to where the NBA got to a few years ago. Self's trend in the coming years in this regard will hopefully continue to be upwards and not back down from where we came.

KC_Connection · 03-30-2018, 12:25 PM

It's no coincidence for example that as the Houston Rockets and Toronto Raptors have increased their 3PA% over the past few years (Houston, the team with the best record in the NBA, is now shooting over 50% of their shots from three), they have become far more successful. The Cavs, Warriors, and Celtics are also traditionally very high in this category as well and they have done so intentionally.

https://www.basketball-reference.com.../NBA_2018.html

Many of the top college coaches haven't picked up on it yet in the way the NBA has, but if you aren't building your team around shooting and higher 3PA% at this point, you're a dinosaur.

Mr. Plow · 03-30-2018, 12:28 PM

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BWillie · 03-30-2018, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

If you aren't taking more threes than everyone else, it is simply a disadvantage in basketball these days. Open threes are just the most efficient shot in basketball that isn't an open dunk/layup (although I can agree that Self's offenses of the past were predicated on getting exactly those shots).

NCAA is just finally catching up to where the NBA got to a few years ago. Self's trend in the coming years in this regard will hopefully continue to be upwards and not back down from where we came.

We aren't going to be shooting as many of them next year.

Best shooter on the team next year will probably be Charlie Moore. We'll have alot of high volume, low percentage 3point shooters in the Lawsons.

Get ready to go back to the high low and less threes.

Fools gold! But in all seriousness, I think in a one game single elimination tournament heavily relying on the three can be dangerous. yes, I realize we are doing it this year. But I think your best chance to succeed is not to be so reliant on the 3 that when you miss them, you have no other way to win. This has been historically why many teams choke in the NCAA Tournament and why I expect Houston to choke this year. And you don't want be so bad at shooting 3's that it's not a threat either, like say Syracuse, K-State, and Kentucky were this year.

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KC_Correction Banned Join Date: Mar 2018 Casino cash: $10000400	The KU/Nova Elite 8 game a few years back has Devonte Graham revenge game written all over it - they fouled him out of that game on some of the biggest bullshit calls I can remember. I'm thinking this game ends up being a game that comes down to the very end - but I am quite confident that KU will not be blown out. I really only see two possible outcomes to this game - either a close game that comes down to the last 90 seconds - or KU rides their wave of momentum playing with house money of sorts and wins by 15+ because they get hot from 3 Either way, I'm excited.
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