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TLO · 05-15-2018, 11:01 AM

Flavor of the off-season or are the Chargers a legit Super Bowl contender.

Let's discuss in here.

Hydrae · 05-20-2018, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Neurotica

Those writers are just high.

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Halfcan · 05-20-2018, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Such a substantive rebuttal

Like I said IF the Chargers stay healthy they have all the pieces in place. 1 game has not cut all of Mahomes teeth my friend. You can split hairs all you want about the technicality of his play in his 2nd year and say he is not a rookie BUT we will see some ROOKIE MISTAKES in his 2nd year for sure. You knew what I meant.

Defense has not been rebuilt. It is in the process of being rebuilt. Big difference.

It is not splitting hairs- you stated Mahomes is a Rookie and in fact, he is not a Rookie. He will have 2 training camps, 2 preseasons worth of games, a year of studying under Alex, and his first win on the road under his belt before he faces Old Man Rivers.

Chiefs had all kinds of injuries last year- we lost several starters and still swept the Chargers and their "healthy" team. We have swept them 4 years in a row- is that all because they weren't healthy? But this year-oh boy they have it all in place.

Other QB's have had great 2nd years in the NFL including Marino- but somehow Mahomes is going to be costing us the playoffs with so many Rookie Mistakes- (even though he is NOT a rookie).

**Gadzooks** · 05-20-2018, 07:58 PM

It's strange, in the NHL there's a minimum amount of games that need to be played in a season before you give up your rookie status, (30 or something). Since the NFL season has so few games, I guess you pop your rookie cherry as soon as you take the field, even if it's only to take the kneel downs.
I'll bet that ****ed a lot of "second year" guys out of ROTY awards that I'd imagine come with a bonus.

Chiefshrink · 05-21-2018, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

It is not splitting hairs- you stated Mahomes is a Rookie and in fact, he is not a Rookie. He will have 2 training camps, 2 preseasons worth of games, a year of studying under Alex, and his first win on the road under his belt before he faces Old Man Rivers.

Chiefs had all kinds of injuries last year- we lost several starters and still swept the Chargers and their "healthy" team. We have swept them 4 years in a row- is that all because they weren't healthy? But this year-oh boy they have it all in place.

Other QB's have had great 2nd years in the NFL including Marino- but somehow Mahomes is going to be costing us the playoffs with so many Rookie Mistakes- (even though he is NOT a rookie).

Technically no he is not a rookie but you knew what I meant. He will have 1 training camp as a starter, he will have 1 pre-season worth of games as a starter, he will have 1 yr without Alex being his "binky" with only 1 NFL game under his belt that really meant nothing to the opposition, but the upside of that game was that he did what he was supposed to do to lead and win that game regardless.

Don't get me wrong, I want to see as few ROOKIE mistakes as possible in his 2nd year. I want him to rock it for sure. BUT be emotional prepared for growing pains and losses is all I am saying especially with a defense that is still in rebuild mode. Like I have said before, at least we will have a QB now who will make mistakes being aggressive trying to make a play downfield thus more likely than not we will always be in the game until the very end.

I get all the excitement and not trying to be a wet blanket here

but I am realistic as well which I think many here are not.

Aside from his physical talent the biggest plus I see is his "moxy maturity" and his love for the game and his intense passionate drive to win.

Chiefshrink · 05-21-2018, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks

It's strange, in the NHL there's a minimum amount of games that need to be played in a season before you give up your rookie status, (30 or something). Since the NFL season has so few games, I guess you pop your rookie cherry as soon as you take the field, even if it's only to take the kneel downs.

Exactly my point.

**Lzen** · 05-21-2018, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

If they stay healthy this year and their o-line improves they will win the division easily with the Chiefs,Donks and Faiders fighting for 2nd place IMHO.

Chiefs literally have a rookie QB still cutting his teeth and our defense is in rebuild mode. Donks have a solid defense with questions at QB,o-line and RB, the Faiders still have serious questions on D and will Carr be able to endure Gruden's grinding.

The Chiefs,Donks and Faiders will all be in contention for 2nd place IMHO.

Division record will look something like this IMHO.

1. Chargers 12-4
2. Chiefs 9-7
3. Faiders 8-8
4. Donks 7-9

BryanBusby · 05-21-2018, 07:28 AM

**** off, quack.

Danguardace · 05-21-2018, 07:29 AM

Chargers have been that semi fashionable pick for some time, I guess if people keep saying it they will be right eventually.

**Lzen** · 05-21-2018, 07:31 AM

I agree with Chiefshrink about Mahommes still being nearly a rookie. The difference with a guy like Marino is that he started all season his rookie year, IIRC. However, Mahommes will open up the offense because he will use the whole field and not be afraid to make certain throws. Defenses will pay if they try to stack the box and play short zones.

And yes, the defense is in a rebuild and there is more to be done. That being said, I believe the defense will be improved this season. How much? That remains to be seen. But I believe we will see a noticeable improvement from that unit.

Halfcan · 05-21-2018, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Technically no he is not a rookie but you knew what I meant. He will have 1 training camp as a starter, he will have 1 pre-season worth of games as a starter, he will have 1 yr without Alex being his "binky" with only 1 NFL game under his belt that really meant nothing to the opposition, but the upside of that game was that he did what he was supposed to do to lead and win that game regardless.

Don't get me wrong, I want to see as few ROOKIE mistakes as possible in his 2nd year. I want him to rock it for sure. BUT be emotional prepared for growing pains and losses is all I am saying especially with a defense that is still in rebuild mode. Like I have said before, at least we will have a QB now who will make mistakes being aggressive trying to make a play downfield thus more likely than not we will always be in the game until the very end.

I get all the excitement and not trying to be a wet blanket here

but I am realistic as well which I think many here are not.

Aside from his physical talent the biggest plus I see is his "moxy maturity" and his love for the game and his intense passionate drive to win.

What is with all the baby references? Cutting teeth (twice) and now binky? You are talking as if Mahomes is some little baby that will be coughing up the ball. And if Mahomes does throw an INT it is a mistake- not sure why you keep tagging on ROOKIE Mistake- because once again- he is Not a rookie.

You say you are not trying to be a wet blanket (baby reference) but are pimping a team that has not beat us in 4 years and has an aging, immobile QB who is the King of "Rookie" mistakes when it comes to ball security and closing out games. It would be great if you had an original opinion instead of just quoting the same thing in the media- Rookie QB / shitty defense- won't make the playoffs. I think you are all discounting Mahomes- he stepped into the QB position in college with very little experience and was able to keep the job over a couple of good QB's. Personally, I think after winning in Denver he should have stayed the starter and we would have won that playoff game. Alex was terrible.

RunKC · 05-21-2018, 09:01 AM

Steve Wyche thinks Derwin James is going to be a great player this year but Patrick Mahomes is a major question mark? Seriously? Derwin James hasn’t played a single down FFS.

And James Palmer is the ultimate Mule Tool. “Errr Jake Butte gonna be so good he got my butthole feeling happy but ermergherd Pat Mahomes is full of question marks.”

I hope Mahomes explodes this year so these so called analyst can shut the **** up. We win 15 of the last 16 division games and still no respect.

NWTF · 05-21-2018, 09:19 AM

The Chargers are the safe pick with the least unknowns.

Youve got new QBs on two of the other teams and a new coaching staff on the other. Any of them could surprise and elevate their team past the Chargers but seems most writers are taking the safe bet. I dont see the Chargers as Super Bowl contenders but I can see them as the early AFC west pick.

**Ming the Merciless** · 05-21-2018, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Neurotica

Those writers are just high.

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Pasta Little Brioni · 05-21-2018, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by NWTF

The Chargers are the safe pick with the least unknowns.

Youve got new QBs on two of the other teams and a new coaching staff on the other. Any of them could surprise and elevate their team past the Chargers but seems most writers are taking the safe bet. I dont see the Chargers as Super Bowl contenders but I can see them as the early AFC west pick.

Until they actually beat the Chiefs, we still look down on them...

FIFTEEN and one against this pathetic division

The one liss a fluke Faider win after 10 bogus penalties

**Rain Man** · 05-21-2018, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Until they actually beat the Chiefs, we still look down on them...

FIFTEEN and one against this pathetic division

The one liss a fluke Faider win after 10 bogus penalties

The Chiefs were ahead in that game several plays after the game ended.

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Lzen Banded Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Oz Casino cash: $-649308	I agree with Chiefshrink about Mahommes still being nearly a rookie. The difference with a guy like Marino is that he started all season his rookie year, IIRC. However, Mahommes will open up the offense because he will use the whole field and not be afraid to make certain throws. Defenses will pay if they try to stack the box and play short zones. And yes, the defense is in a rebuild and there is more to be done. That being said, I believe the defense will be improved this season. How much? That remains to be seen. But I believe we will see a noticeable improvement from that unit. __________________ Conversation would be vastly improved by the constant use of four simple words: I do not know.
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RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1610389	Steve Wyche thinks Derwin James is going to be a great player this year but Patrick Mahomes is a major question mark? Seriously? Derwin James hasn’t played a single down FFS. And James Palmer is the ultimate Mule Tool. “Errr Jake Butte gonna be so good he got my butthole feeling happy but ermergherd Pat Mahomes is full of question marks.” I hope Mahomes explodes this year so these so called analyst can shut the ** up. We win 15 of the last 16 division games and still no respect. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley**
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05-21-2018, 09:19 AM	#177
NWTF Veteran Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: overland park Casino cash: $9417081	The Chargers are the safe pick with the least unknowns. Youve got new QBs on two of the other teams and a new coaching staff on the other. Any of them could surprise and elevate their team past the Chargers but seems most writers are taking the safe bet. I dont see the Chargers as Super Bowl contenders but I can see them as the early AFC west pick.
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