Chiefs Veach and the CBs, is he clueless? - Page 5

Buckweath · 08-25-2018, 10:11 PM

He traded Peters, an All-pro cornerback, during the offseason, granted Hunt may have been behind that decision.

He signed Amerson who has looked absolutely dreadful so far. Dreadful even against backups.

And then anyone remember how he was saying that he felt good about stacking Will Redmond and Keith Reaser in regards to what was out there in the draft class. How does that sound now? Those guys look like our 7th and 8th CBs for a group that is not good to say the least.

I still dont get how he went from trying to sign Kyle Fuller to settling for Amerson.

Really, if he doesn't make a trade for a CB, I will really question him.

I feel good about the front seven even though I thought Ragland and Hitchens were not that good today, probably rusty.

But I think we know one bad starting CB can practically ruin an entire defense, right?

TEX · 08-26-2018, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

I don't think Veach is clueless. I think he's following what his coach wants to do and what he thinks is a best plan for rebuilding the team. The pass rush was terrible last year and so was the run defense. I think Veach realized that he couldn't fix everything in one year, so he tried to bolster the front 7 with hopes they could make offenses more one dimensional against them. I'd look for him to address more of the secondary next season and I wouldn't doubt add another pass rusher.

Probably correct.

Randallflagg · 08-26-2018, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Marcus Peters Pros:
Created Turnovers

Marcus Peters Cons:
Refuses to tackle
Quit on team
Unsportsmanlike Penalties
Doesn't play the defense that was called
Locker room Cancer
Argues with coaches
Loves the Raiders

Chiefshrink · 08-26-2018, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

I don't think Veach is clueless. I think he's following what his coach wants to do and what he thinks is a best plan for rebuilding the team. The pass rush was terrible last year and so was the run defense. I think Veach realized that he couldn't fix everything in one year, so he tried to bolster the front 7 with hopes they could make offenses more one dimensional against them. I'd look for him to address more of the secondary next season and I wouldn't doubt add another pass rusher.

You are correct Reid calls the shots, period.

milkman · 08-26-2018, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

You are correct Reid calls the shots, period.

You need to shut the **** up. you ****ing moron.

Chiefshrink · 08-26-2018, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

You need to shut the **** up. you ****ing moron.

I think you seriously need an attitude adjustment therefore a good first step would be to replace your leaky tampon.

milkman · 08-26-2018, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

I think you seriously need an attitude adjustment therefore a good first step would be to replace your leaky tampon.

Jesus, even your attempts at insults are putrid, weak, and ****ing moronic.

I hope to hell you have somebody to wipe your ass for you, otherwise your shit goes everywhere you go.

Chiefshrink · 08-26-2018, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Jesus, even your attempts at insults are putrid, weak, and ****ing moronic.

I hope to hell you have somebody to wipe your ass for you, otherwise your shit goes everywhere you go.

Look in the mirror my friend. It is obvious you have run out of "depends" which also might explain your very bad attitude.

BlackOp · 08-26-2018, 09:21 PM

I think Veach tried to duplicate what Dorsey did with S. Smith...Amerson was pretty highly touted coming out of college. The only problem was he didn't have a contingency in place in case his reclamation project didn't work out...so on to Scandrick.

It was a one year deal...so not terrible on that end. They kicked the tires...and the whole "change of scenery" tip. I'm sure they're working the upcoming cuts pretty hard...

"In 2011, Amerson recorded 13 interceptions, which tied for second-most in NCAA history (Al Worley from Washington set the record with 14 picks in 1968), earning him first-team All-ACC and Walter Camp All-American honors, along with the coveted Jack Tatum award, which is given to the nation's best defensive back."

Chiefshrink · 08-26-2018, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

I think Veach tried to duplicate what Dorsey did with S. Smith...Amerson was pretty highly touted coming out of college. The only problem was he didn't have a contingency in place in case his reclamation project didn't work out...so on to Scandrick.

It was a one year deal...so not terrible on that end. They kicked the tires...and the whole "change of scenery" tip. I'm sure they're working the upcoming cuts pretty hard...

"In 2011, Amerson recorded 13 interceptions, which tied for second-most in NCAA history (Al Worley from Washington set the record with 14 picks in 1968), earning him first-team All-ACC and Walter Camp All-American honors, along with the coveted Jack Tatum award, which is given to the nation's best defensive back."

Well so far he has just been a great college player and another to bite the dust in the NFL.

**RealSNR** · 08-26-2018, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

You are correct Reid calls the shots, period.

milkman isn't wrong. You smear this diarrhea all the ****ing time.

It's absolute bullshit that Reid is in charge of personnel. It's something you made up for some reason, and because you're an arrogant dickbrain, you trumpet it every chance you get.

OKchiefs · 08-26-2018, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Jesus, even your attempts at insults are putrid, weak, and ****ing moronic.

I hope to hell you have somebody to wipe your ass for you, otherwise your shit goes everywhere you go.

I think I've found the new Dane.

jaa1025 · 08-26-2018, 10:46 PM

I don't think he is clueless. I think he took the realistic position that he cant fix the entire defense in one off season.

Fuller via trade looks like an absolute steal.
Amerson looks like a cheap gamble that isn't going to pay off but he will be better than the crap that was thrown out there last year.
Scandrick is also a cheap depth move that would have been CB #2 on the Chiefs last year.
I like the two rookie CBs but they aren't ready yet.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Chiefs concentrate heavily on the secondary next year as well as the lines. I also wouldn't be surprised if the Chiefs trade for secondary either in the next few weeks.

kccrow · 08-27-2018, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

You are correct Reid calls the shots, period.

I think you are misinterpreting slightly. I never said Reid "calls the shots." Every GM and coach have a relationship where they assess the team together and determine the needs going forward. Reid has traditionally been a "build-the-trenches" type of coach/GM, having spent a lot of resources on his fronts in Philly and even now in KC. Brett Veach was part of that. When it comes to making a decision over what is best for the team in terms of rebuilding the defense, Reid is going to have a tendency to want the trenches first and Veach, when given the choice amongst who he believes are equivalent talents, is going to choose given the positional wants of his coach. Ultimately, Veach will decide the who and the when but is influenced by his coach's needs. This is unlike saying Reid said to draft Speaks or pick up Amerson in free agency and Veach did it, which to me would be Reid calling the shots.

TEX · 08-27-2018, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Jesus, even your attempts at insults are putrid, weak, and ****ing moronic.

I hope to hell you have somebody to wipe your ass for you, otherwise your shit goes everywhere you go.

TEX · 08-27-2018, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

I think you are misinterpreting slightly. I never said Reid "calls the shots." Every GM and coach have a relationship where they assess the team together and determine the needs going forward. Reid has traditionally been a "build-the-trenches" type of coach/GM, having spent a lot of resources on his fronts in Philly and even now in KC. Brett Veach was part of that. When it comes to making a decision over what is best for the team in terms of rebuilding the defense, Reid is going to have a tendency to want the trenches first and Veach, when given the choice amongst who he believes are equivalent talents, is going to choose given the positional wants of his coach. Ultimately, Veach will decide the who and the when but is influenced by his coach's needs. This is unlike saying Reid said to draft Speaks or pick up Amerson in free agency and Veach did it, which to me would be Reid calling the shots.

That's one of the big issues I have with Reid. Ever since he got to KC he has been working on the OL, and it's still not very good. LG has literally been a revolving door, Center is weak and the LT proves he can't play when he absolutely has to. They have way too much $$$ invested in the OL for the lack of results they're getting. But, he did have OL issues in Philly as well, so I kind of expected it. It's on me for thinking that it would be different in KC.

08-25-2018, 10:11 PM
Buckweath Veteran Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Quebec, Canada Casino cash: $9994975	Veach and the CBs, is he clueless? He traded Peters, an All-pro cornerback, during the offseason, granted Hunt may have been behind that decision. He signed Amerson who has looked absolutely dreadful so far. Dreadful even against backups. And then anyone remember how he was saying that he felt good about stacking Will Redmond and Keith Reaser in regards to what was out there in the draft class. How does that sound now? Those guys look like our 7th and 8th CBs for a group that is not good to say the least. I still dont get how he went from trying to sign Kyle Fuller to settling for Amerson. Really, if he doesn't make a trade for a CB, I will really question him. I feel good about the front seven even though I thought Ragland and Hitchens were not that good today, probably rusty. But I think we know one bad starting CB can practically ruin an entire defense, right?
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08-26-2018, 09:21 PM	#68
BlackOp MVP Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $2715267	I think Veach tried to duplicate what Dorsey did with S. Smith...Amerson was pretty highly touted coming out of college. The only problem was he didn't have a contingency in place in case his reclamation project didn't work out...so on to Scandrick. It was a one year deal...so not terrible on that end. They kicked the tires...and the whole "change of scenery" tip. I'm sure they're working the upcoming cuts pretty hard... "In 2011, Amerson recorded 13 interceptions, which tied for second-most in NCAA history (Al Worley from Washington set the record with 14 picks in 1968), earning him first-team All-ACC and Walter Camp All-American honors, along with the coveted Jack Tatum award, which is given to the nation's best defensive back."
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08-26-2018, 10:46 PM	#72
jaa1025 Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Casino cash: $10000898	I don't think he is clueless. I think he took the realistic position that he cant fix the entire defense in one off season. Fuller via trade looks like an absolute steal. Amerson looks like a cheap gamble that isn't going to pay off but he will be better than the crap that was thrown out there last year. Scandrick is also a cheap depth move that would have been CB #2 on the Chiefs last year. I like the two rookie CBs but they aren't ready yet. I wouldn't be surprised if the Chiefs concentrate heavily on the secondary next year as well as the lines. I also wouldn't be surprised if the Chiefs trade for secondary either in the next few weeks.
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