2018 STL Cardinals Thread

[BigRedChief]

Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
Pham CF
Carpenter 3B
Ozuna LF
Martinez 1B
Molina C
Dejong SS
Wong 2B
Pitcher

Edit:
Matheny fired 07/14/2018




Opening Day Roster

Spoiler!

St. Louis has opted to carry 12 position players and 13 pitchers to begin the new season, with a four-man bench and eight-man bullpen.

Outfielders:
Dexter Fowler
Tommy Pham
Marcell Ozuna

Infielders:
Matt Carpenter
Paul DeJong
Kolten Wong

Catchers:
Yadier Molina
Francisco Pena

Utility:
Jose Martinez
Greg Garcia
Yairo Munoz
Jedd Gyrko

Starters:
Carlos Martinez
Michael Wacha
Luke Weaver
Miles Mikolas
Jack Flaherty

Relievers:
Dominic Leone
Tyler Lyons
Bud Norris
Brett Cecil
Sam Tuivailala
Matt Bowman
Jordan Hicks
Mike Mayers

On the DL:
Adam Wainwright
Luke Gregerson

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Only twice have pitchers had a month better than Cole Hamels had since Arrieta was a god in 2015, Chris Sale last month and Jordan Zimmerman in 2016.

So as it turns out, Hamels was just jaking it for $23 million/season the last 2 years.

Gotta imagine the Rangers are pretty excited to see how few ****s he gave while he was cashing their checks...

[jd1020]

He might get to cash one more if the Cubs choose not to pick up his $20M option. Rangers are on the hook for his buyout of $6M.

I dont suspect the Cubs will pick up the option. They would probably pull some John Lackey shit and sign him to a 2 year deal for less AAV.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by jd1020

He might get to cash one more if the Cubs choose not to pick up his $20M option. Rangers are on the hook for his buyout of $6M.

I dont suspect the Cubs will pick up the option. They would probably pull some John Lackey shit and sign him to a 2 year deal for less AAV.

I'm sure they will.

Give him a little wink/nod, decline the option only so they can get that $6 million check from the Rangers and then extend him for 2/$30. It's effectively a 1/$13 million extension for him after factoring in the $6 million buyout and for the Cubs they'd end up getting him for less than they'd otherwise have to pay.

You'd better hope he decides not to go full Ranger for you guys, in that case. As we've seen a few times over his career, when Cole just doesn't feel like pitching...he won't.

[jd1020]

I'll take no ****s given Cole Hamels over 8 walks per 9 Tyler Chatwood any day.

[O.city]

So anyway the Cards can end up with Donaldson?

[George Liquor]

Originally Posted by O.city

So anyway the Cards can end up with Donaldson?

That's a lot of teams to get through to make it to STL.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BDj23

That's a lot of teams to get through to make it to STL.

Yeah but most of them have no use for a 3b. And if Donaldson has a no-trade, he can kill a waiver claim for a team that he doesn't think will give him playing time.

If the Yankees don't trust Andujar or the Red Sox worry about Devers injury, I could see them putting a claim in. I don't see anyone else as a likely fit though.

Maybe we should've claimed that Daniel Murphy fella.

Jesus that was stupid.

[Marco Polo]

If they didn't want Murphy because of potential clubhouse issues (he was outspoken against LGBT), they won't want Donaldson- especially at the risk he isn't healed.

[George Liquor]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah but most of them have no use for a 3b. And if Donaldson has a no-trade, he can kill a waiver claim for a team that he doesn't think will give him playing time.

If the Yankees don't trust Andujar or the Red Sox worry about Devers injury, I could see them putting a claim in. I don't see anyone else as a likely fit though.

Maybe we should've claimed that Daniel Murphy fella.

Jesus that was stupid.

I dont think he gets thru Boston.

[George Liquor]

Originally Posted by Marco Polo

If they didn't want Murphy because of potential clubhouse issues (he was outspoken against LGBT), they won't want Donaldson- especially at the risk he isn't healed.

I just googled "Daniel Murphy" and got an article with a bunch of blue checkmark twitter cucks bitching about him not bowing at the lgbt altar.

I had no idea he even said anything about gay people

Twitter was a mistake

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Marco Polo

If they didn't want Murphy because of potential clubhouse issues (he was outspoken against LGBT), they won't want Donaldson- especially at the risk he isn't healed.

I didn't know about his LGBT views.

4.5% of adults in the USA are gay. That average = one player in each dugout is gay. Obviously they are not "out" but could possibly make up a public grudge to express their displeasure if a realistic one not tied to his hidden but very personal LGBT views presents itself. Or some straight players sister, aunt, nephew etc. are gay and they are cool with it and they hear stories of them being treated differently?

Politics and religion are landmines on a team full of alpha males. They have a right to their opinion and express it. The problem is others on the team and fans can also express their opinion on the opposing side. And team chemistry is all ****ed up.

[DJ's left nut]

Read his quotes, not just some SJW bitching about them. They're incredibly benign and nothing more than a person expressing his opinion while refusing to outwardly castigate someone for having their own. The hand-wringing over them is insane - take a single sentence out and they don't look great but read the entire interview and he's just a person of faith, little more.

As for Donaldson - McCutchen cleared waivers w/ $3 million owed and the Yankees playing Shane Robinson in RF right now. Cutch has been healthy and relatively productive this year. Donaldson is owed $4.5 million and has been neither of those things.

I'd be surprised if he's claimed.

[VAChief]

Bought a couple of box seats behind the Cards dugout for the Labor Day game in DC. Scherzer vs. Mikolas. Looking forward to getting my first look at them in person this year.

[Hoover]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I didn't know about his LGBT views.

4.5% of adults in the USA are gay. That average = one player in each dugout is gay. Obviously they are not "out" but could possibly make up a public grudge to express their displeasure if a realistic one not tied to his hidden but very personal LGBT views presents itself. Or some straight players sister, aunt, nephew etc. are gay and they are cool with it and they hear stories of them being treated differently?

Politics and religion are landmines on a team full of alpha males. They have a right to their opinion and express it. The problem is others on the team and fans can also express their opinion on the opposing side. And team chemistry is all ****ed up.

Everything I've read about the deal with Murphy is that while he stated his personal views, he has also been very tolerant. This notion that we all have to agree on the practice of homosexuality has gotten out of hand. I mean my gosh, is the local blood bank anti-gay because they ask men if they have ever had gay sex in their lifetimes.

Frankly, I wish more people were like Murphy - free to voice their on beliefs, but tolerant of those who do otherwise.

[Marco Polo]

Let's not turn this into political- just sharing what I read.