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Old 09-23-2018, 08:30 AM  
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Earl Thomas a longshot to be a Chief
They just said on ESPN we were on the list of teams that he could be dealt to.
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Old 09-24-2018, 09:23 AM   #631
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Generically speaking, draft picks are relatively less valuable when you have a cheap, rookie-contract, franchise QB and relatively more valuable when a vet franchise QB is eating up your cap.

I'm not excited about trading a 2nd (or more) for a guy who is either a short term rental or an older player demanding a big contract extension, but if you're ever going to trade valuable picks for ready-to-go players or if you're ever going to sign high priced free agents, the next couple of years is the time.
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Old 09-24-2018, 09:24 AM   #632
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Generically speaking, draft picks are relatively less valuable when you have a cheap, rookie-contract, franchise QB and relatively more valuable when a vet franchise QB is eating up your cap.

I'm not excited about trading a 2nd (or more) for a guy who is either a short term rental or an older player demanding a big contract extension, but if you're ever going to trade valuable picks for ready-to-go players or if you're ever going to sign high priced free agents, the next couple of years is the time.
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Old 09-24-2018, 09:26 AM   #633
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Yep.

Watch other games, teams play soft zones in that situation all the time. The difference is that they create long drives and force the opposition into mistakes.

Our guys blow coverages and give up big chunks of yards in a defense that is supposed to prevent that very thing.
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Old 09-24-2018, 09:31 AM   #634
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So, just because other teams in the league do it that makes prevent D an acceptable scheme regardless of the fact that our players **** it up damn near every time? I propose an alternative: just run the defense that has gotten you the best results throughout the whole game. Our players don't seem to have as much of a problem doing that.
Pittsburgh game is a good example. 2nd quarter we go into prevent, give up 21 points. Bob Sutton adjusts back to what worked in the 1st quarter. It works in quarters 3 and 4. Is it really that complicated?
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Old 09-24-2018, 09:35 AM   #636
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I'm not sure why people seem to think it's really optional on giving this guy a new deal or not.

He's been in one spot his entire career and is only making a stink now because he wants a new deal. I don't see a situation where he shows up to a new city without that new deal.
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Old 09-24-2018, 09:35 AM   #637
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So, just because other teams in the league do it that makes prevent D an acceptable scheme regardless of the fact that our players **** it up damn near every time? I propose an alternative: just run the defense that has gotten you the best results throughout the whole game. Our players don't seem to have as much of a problem doing that.
Pittsburgh game is a good example. 2nd quarter we go into prevent, give up 21 points. Bob Sutton adjusts back to what worked in the 1st quarter. It works in quarters 3 and 4. Is it really that complicated?
If you do that and proceed to give up 14 points in 2 minutes, which is a possibility people are going to react the exact same way.
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So, just because other teams in the league do it that makes prevent D an acceptable scheme regardless of the fact that our players **** it up damn near every time? I propose an alternative: just run the defense that has gotten you the best results throughout the whole game. Our players don't seem to have as much of a problem doing that.
Pittsburgh game is a good example. 2nd quarter we go into prevent, give up 21 points. Bob Sutton adjusts back to what worked in the 1st quarter. It works in quarters 3 and 4. Is it really that complicated?
I dont think we are playing as much "prevent" as people think..the opponent figures our D out after about the first quarter and start moving the ball and our players fold up like soft garbage and Sutton is simply in over his head
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I'm not sure why people seem to think it's really optional on giving this guy a new deal or not.

He's been in one spot his entire career and is only making a stink now because he wants a new deal. I don't see a situation where he shows up to a new city without that new deal.
If he's accepted that he's not getting a new deal this year, he might be happier not playing for the team that didn't show him enough loyalty (in his opinion). If the new team promises to let him go to free agency without tagging him, he might be OK with the rental arrangement.
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If you do that and proceed to give up 14 points in 2 minutes, which is a possibility people are going to react the exact same way.
Sure didn't go that way for the Steelers, and they have one of the best offenses we're facing this year.
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I dont think we are playing as much "prevent" as people think..the opponent figures our D out after about the first quarter and start moving the ball and our players fold up like soft garbage and Sutton is simply in over his head
That's not true, it's why the defense with a big lead is so much worse than when it's close.

They go into a drop zone type of defense meanwhile we have several dudes, mainly Eric Murray who a 2nd grader understands zone better than.
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If he's accepted that he's not getting a new deal this year, he might be happier not playing for the team that didn't show him enough loyalty (in his opinion). If the new team promises to let him go to free agency without tagging him, he might be OK with the rental arrangement.
He has every right to be pissed at them, they aren't paying them when they have a shitload of money so he feels slighted.
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He has every right to be pissed at them, they aren't paying them when they have a shitload of money so he feels slighted.
Sure, but my point is that he might be willing to play elsewhere without a new deal for that very reason, whether he's right to feel that way or not.
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He has every right to be pissed at them, they aren't paying them when they have a shitload of money so he feels slighted.
That and apparently he took a lesser deal so that the LOB could all get deals. Now they’re all gone.
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That and apparently he took a lesser deal so that the LOB could all get deals. Now they’re all gone.
Yeah, if that's the case he has every right to be ****ing furious.
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