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Old 09-23-2018, 08:30 AM  
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Earl Thomas a longshot to be a Chief
They just said on ESPN we were on the list of teams that he could be dealt to.
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Old 09-25-2018, 09:38 AM   #1426
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Never understand why folks put such a high emphasis on draft picks. What's the percentage the pick works out? 50? 70?

Why not get the guy with 100 percent chance of being a stud. Trade that pick!
I'm fine with that in this position, if we sucked then the picks are better, young cost controlled players are a good thing but this defense needs guys to build around badly.
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Old 09-25-2018, 09:41 AM   #1427
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No. Working out the long term deal is key. Don't want to trade a #2 for a one-year-rental. I don't care how good he is. Just my opinion.
We also can not afford to tie up that much cap space in old safeties when we have far bigger guys to sign in the near future.
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Old 09-25-2018, 09:43 AM   #1428
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Again, what makes you believe he would be willing to just come here and quietly play out the remainder of his contract?
Hopefully nobody. I highly, highly doubt the Chiefs are going to give up draft picks without having a deal in place 1st. No team would do that. Well, maybe the Bills.

I'm not sure why this is even a question or in debate. If the Chiefs trade for Thomas it's because they've already worked out a deal.
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Old 09-25-2018, 09:45 AM   #1429
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We also can not afford to tie up that much cap space in old safeties when we have far bigger guys to sign in the near future.
We do?

Hill...I'm really tired of this act that Chris Jones is an all pro, he's not.
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Old 09-25-2018, 09:45 AM   #1430
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Thomas is the #1 rated PFF defender right now...
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Old 09-25-2018, 09:45 AM   #1431
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Never understand why folks put such a high emphasis on draft picks. What's the percentage the pick works out? 50? 70?

Why not get the guy with 100 percent chance of being a stud. Trade that pick!
Because you build rosters through the draft.

Draft picks are NFL capital. The more picks you have, the more flexibility you have. The more flexibility you have, the stronger your opportunity to GO GET the guys you want instead of waiting and crossing your fingers hoping the guy you want falls in your lap.

If you're going after the guys you believe in, they're more likely to work out.

One of those second round picks could allow us the mobility to move up in the first round to take a player that the staff covets.

I'm not saying yay or nay on Thomas, just explaining why picks are valuable. People can talk 'BPA', but I've always thought you take the Walsh approach. Target specific players and GO GET THEM. You need flexibility to do that.
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Old 09-25-2018, 09:47 AM   #1432
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Because you build rosters through the draft.

Draft picks are NFL capital. The more picks you have, the more flexibility you have. The more flexibility you have, the stronger your opportunity to GO GET the guys you want instead of waiting and crossing your fingers hoping the guy you want falls in your lap.

If you're going after the guys you believe in, they're more likely to work out.

One of those second round picks could allow us the mobility to move up in the first round to take a player that the staff covets.

I'm not saying yay or nay on Thomas, just explaining why picks are valuable.

Do you trust this staff to draft defensive players?

Let's be real here the 1st rounder is at the end of the round...would you have traded the draft pick for Dee Ford for Earl Thomas? And Ford is one of the better defensive picks of this regime.
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Old 09-25-2018, 09:49 AM   #1433
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Because you build rosters through the draft.

Draft picks are NFL capital. The more picks you have, the more flexibility you have. The more flexibility you have, the stronger your opportunity to GO GET the guys you want instead of waiting and crossing your fingers hoping the guy you want falls in your lap.

If you're going after the guys you believe in, they're more likely to work out.

One of those second round picks could allow us the mobility to move up in the first round to take a player that the staff covets.

I'm not saying yay or nay on Thomas, just explaining why picks are valuable. People can talk 'BPA', but I've always thought you take the Walsh approach. Target specific players and GO GET THEM. You need flexibility to do that.
Bird in the hand, man. Chances that we draft a guy of Thomas's caliber with that pick are slim at best. Even if we do get his services for an extra couple of years.
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Old 09-25-2018, 09:49 AM   #1434
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The Jets are rumored to be considering trading for Leveon Bell, without being able to negotiate a long term deal with him (no team can at this point, due to the franchise tag), so it IS possible that a team might give up a draft pick for, in essence, a one year rental.

It doesn't happen often, but it has a few times . . . . .
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Old 09-25-2018, 09:50 AM   #1435
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The Jets are rumored to be considering trading for Leveon Bell, without being able to negotiate a long term deal with him (no team can at this point, due to the franchise tag), so it IS possible that a team might give up a draft pick for, in essence, a one year rental.

It doesn't happen often, but it has a few times . . . . .
Once again, they'll assume they can keep him.
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Old 09-25-2018, 09:51 AM   #1436
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The question I’d like to ask Veach is are you planning to make a run at Thomas in FA anyways?

Cause if so, make the trade. Don’t overpay, wait for the price to come down, but make the trade this year and be done with it.
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Old 09-25-2018, 09:51 AM   #1437
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Do you trust this staff to draft defensive players?

Let's be real here the 1st rounder is at the end of the round...would you have traded the draft pick for Dee Ford for Earl Thomas? And Ford is one of the better defensive picks of this regime.
I trust them to draft defensive players. I just don't trust them to accurately evaluate and pick GOOD defensive players. I also don't think appealing to the past is a great reason for not even trying in the future.

However I'm a fan of Earl Thomas. He's got a good few years left. A few years of a player his calibur is worth a 2nd round pick. Especially given our weakness on the back end.

Consider KC's offense. Kelce -3rd around. Hunt - 3rd round Hill - 5th round Mahomes - 10th pick

And, you know... KC used draft capital to trade into position for more than one of them. Let's not pooh pooh the value of draft picks.
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I seriously doubt they can get a better player with that pick than Thomas.
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Once again, they'll assume they can keep him.
Of course, but it's not guaranteed. He (or his agent) may decide he wants to go elsewhere once the season ends.
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I trust them to draft defensive players. I just don't trust them to accurately evaluate and pick GOOD defensive players. I also don't think appealing to the past is a great reason for not even trying in the future.

However I'm a fan of Earl Thomas. He's got a good few years left. A few years of a player his calibur is worth a 2nd round pick. Especially given our weakness on the back end.
I think he has 5 years left, plenty of safeties last forever and he's been durable.
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