Please delete my account...

[KCWolfman]

Originally Posted by Mark M

So I guess if I were call, say, Priest Holmes, a ******, that it's okay and everyone should ignore it?

If I call Tony Gonzalez a spic, then it should just be ignored?

They are words of hate. Ignoring them isn't going to make the problem going away. Of course, neither is crying about it--but to ignore it is even worse IMHO.

It's amazing how white people think everyone's so sensitive. I guess it has to do with the fact that we've never dealt with abuse in this manner. Maybe if we had we'd feel different.

MM
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Mark - Actually, I agree with you, partially anyway. I won't get into semantics with you, but white people are ridiculed on a daily basis and we are expected to ignore it - IMO that is a huge disparity that causes the issue you address above.

TJ shouldn't have ignored it at all if he felt so incensed about the issue. But an adult would have addressed the issue as an adult, not put a post on the board crying out for attention.

Something else to take into account, TJ owns his own BB and has for years. He knows the correct way to handle such issues. He even admitted that he would have handled the issue differently on his own board and that the action I took was appropriate if I were a Mange Moderator. TJ knew the action he took was inappropriate and was done solely to whore for attention.

I brought it up first (regardless of who Titus gives credit to ), TJ cannot just slink off into the goodnight, but probably hates this board more and more everyday. His inflammatory posts have caught up with him and he is sick of eating crow. This way he gets to leave without being called a coward and still gets his attention. He is no better than the people out of control that he moderates on his own board - as an adult and a moderator, he should know better.

[Mark M]

Originally Posted by KCWolfman

Mark - Actually, I agree with you, partially anyway. I won't get into semantics with you, but white people are ridiculed on a daily basis and we are expected to ignore it - IMO that is a huge disparity that causes the issue you address above.

TJ shouldn't have ignored it at all if he felt so incensed about the issue. But an adult would have addressed the issue as an adult, not put a post on the board crying out for attention.

Something else to take into account, TJ owns his own BB and has for years. He knows the correct way to handle such issues. He even admitted that he would have handled the issue differently on his own board and that the action I took was appropriate if I were a Mange Moderator. TJ knew the action he took was inappropriate and was done solely to whore for attention.

I brought it up first (regardless of who Titus gives credit to ), TJ cannot just slink off into the goodnight, but probably hates this board more and more everyday. His inflammatory posts have caught up with him and he is sick of eating crow. This way he gets to leave without being called a coward and still gets his attention. He is no better than the people out of control that he moderates on his own board - as an adult and a moderator, he should know better.

Oh, I don't disagree that TJ handled this the wrong way. I agree that he can't admit when he is wrong and this a convenient way for him to leave as a "victim."

But this isn't the first time someone's thrown racial smack out there towards TJ, only to have some folks spin it so that it's okay. Which is what I see some folks doing here. Just because TJ's been a jerk for so long, it's okay to insult him for his heritage. Sorry, but I disagree with that.

And like both ChiTown and Titus pointed out, racism isn't just a white issue--I lived in southeast DC, in a building of 800 people where I was the ONLY white guy. So I'm well aware of how it works the other way. Hell, I almost got shot just because of my skin color.

But, as a white guy, I haven't dealt with racism on the level as a black, hispanic, or even Jewish person has dealt with it. So for me to say "well, they just have thin skin" is, IMHO not the way to handle it.

I feel as though bringing up anyone's race for any reason is unjustified. Instead of saying "this black guy I work with," I just say "this guy I work with." That doesn't make me perfect or culturally sensitive or anything else--I just fail to see how race matters in 99.99% of situations. To bring it up in an insult is just plain wrong, again, IMHO.

MM
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[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Mark M

But this isn't the first time someone's thrown racial smack out there towards TJ, only to have some folks spin it so that it's okay.

There is some discernable difference between 'okay' and 'Armageddon.'
Needling taco's Achilles heel [I'm sorry, was that Greco-phobic?] in his sensitivity to his ancestry might not be the height of discourse, but it's not neccesary to break out the ash and sack-cloth, and the flagellum.

[KCWolfman]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

There is some discernable difference between 'okay' and 'Armageddon.'
Needling taco's Achilles heel [I'm sorry, was that Greco-phobic?] in his sensitivity to his ancestry might not be the height of discourse, but it's not neccesary to break out the ash and sack-cloth, and the flagellum.

You do realize your vague references are generally lost on the majority, kind of like Dennis Miller. Unlike Miller, at least you are funny.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by KCWolfman

You do realize your vague references are generally lost on the majority, kind of like Dennis Miller. Unlike Miller, at least you are funny.

Did you mean to type 'obscure?'

[Logical]

Originally Posted by KCWolfman

You do realize your vague references are generally lost on the majority, kind of like Dennis Miller. Unlike Miller, at least you are funny.

Bagging on Dennis Miller is a crime, easily one of the three funniest men in entertainment.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Mark M

Oh, I don't disagree that TJ handled this the wrong way. I agree that he can't admit when he is wrong and this a convenient way for him to leave as a "victim."

But this isn't the first time someone's thrown racial smack out there towards TJ, only to have some folks spin it so that it's okay. Which is what I see some folks doing here. Just because TJ's been a jerk for so long, it's okay to insult him for his heritage. Sorry, but I disagree with that.

And like both ChiTown and Titus pointed out, racism isn't just a white issue--I lived in southeast DC, in a building of 800 people where I was the ONLY white guy. So I'm well aware of how it works the other way. Hell, I almost got shot just because of my skin color.

But, as a white guy, I haven't dealt with racism on the level as a black, hispanic, or even Jewish person has dealt with it. So for me to say "well, they just have thin skin" is, IMHO not the way to handle it.

I feel as though bringing up anyone's race for any reason is unjustified. Instead of saying "this black guy I work with," I just say "this guy I work with." That doesn't make me perfect or culturally sensitive or anything else--I just fail to see how race matters in 99.99% of situations. To bring it up in an insult is just plain wrong, again, IMHO.

MM
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So_why_do_blacks_continue_to_call_themselves_African_Americans?

Hispanics_Latin_Americans?_Why_not_just_plain_Americans?

Minorities_do_as_much_as_any_racist_to_contribute_to_the_social_divide.

They_need_thicker_skin_or_they_need_to_drop_the_BS_and_join_their_fellow_countrymen_as_Americans.

[Talisman]

Originally Posted by raiderhader

So_why_do_blacks_continue_to_call_themselves_African_Americans?

Hispanics_Latin_Americans?_Why_not_just_plain_Americans?

Minorities_do_as_much_as_any_racist_to_contribute_to_the_social_divide.

They_need_thicker_skin_or_they_need_to_drop_the_BS_and_join_their_fellow_countrymen_as_Americans.

I'd like to buy a space, please Pat.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Talisman

I'd like to buy a space, please Pat.

Hopefully_today_the_disc_will_arrive.

[Oxford]

No one is asking for a racial slur by using a "suggestive term" for a nom-deguere if they are describing themselves.

However, just because someone is a bu%%hole, does not make them racist. FWIW, it seems the ones supposedly "color blind" are playing from a deck of 52 race cards.

Sometimes we must remember that ignorance is correctible and stupidity is not. Neither of those is a crime either!

[BIG_DADDY]

MArk,

Humans will always find a reason to divide. If it's not race or gender then it will be culture or religion or ethics or whatever. To think that one day it's possible for all of us to live like a bunch of happy azz hippies on this giant commune called the world is just not being realistic. That being said I see this as a setup. For example, one day when I was in health clubs I had a guy come down to apply for a job in a very conservative club. His hair was teased up and he was kissing his little butt buddy in the lobby while waiting to be interviewed. Naturally I didn't hire him. He tried to sue for discrimination after setting us up by doing what he was doing in our lobby and speaking like a flamer the whole time. Taco likewise sets us up by coming over here and flaming everyone all the time and naming himself Taco. Anyone who did likewise on any other BB should expect the same result.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Mark M

Hell, I almost got shot just because of my skin color.

But, as a white guy, I haven't dealt with racism on the level as a black, hispanic, or even Jewish person has dealt with it.

Yeah, you've never had a word applied to you, but were nearly shot. You're just unlucky.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Brock Landers

Yeah, you've never had a word applied to you, but were nearly shot. You're just unlucky.

I_found_that_a_little_ironic_myself.

[Mark M]

Originally Posted by Brock Landers

Yeah, you've never had a word applied to you, but were nearly shot. You're just unlucky.

The point is, it wouldn't have been an issue had it not been for a few hundred years of racism before that. Now, should I (or anyone else) be punished for past issues? Of course not. But for me to say that the anger some minorities feel is unjustified or because of thin skin is not correct either.

raiderhader--
I agree completely. Unfortunately, IMHO, that'll never happen. Why? Because there are still people out there who will judge other due to their skin color or ancestry. And as long as that happens, people will separate themselves in ways they see fit.

I mean, CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?

BTW, what the hell is up with the underscores? It's called a space bar. Try using it sometime.

MM
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[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Mark M

The point is, it wouldn't have been an issue had it not been for a few hundred years of racism before that. Now, should I (or anyone else) be punished for past issues? Of course not. But for me to say that the anger some minorities feel is unjustified or because of thin skin is not correct either.

raiderhader--
I agree completely. Unfortunately, IMHO, that'll never happen. Why? Because there are still people out there who will judge other due to their skin color or ancestry. And as long as that happens, people will separate themselves in ways they see fit.

I mean, CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?

BTW, what the hell is up with the underscores? It's called a space bar. Try using it sometime.

MM
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I_would_use_the_space_bar_if_it_would_work,_but_it_won't.

Of_course_we'll_never_have_complete_harmony,_but_the_fact_remains_that_minorities_don't_want_to_get_ along.

At_what_point_do_they_decide_to_move_on?_The_hate_is_not_healthy_for_them_or_the_country.

Forgive_and_forget_or_continue_to_face_more_hatred_than_would_otherwise_be_the_case.

They_continue_to_drag_out_the_problem_with_hate_and_double_standards._They_aren't_receiving_much_sym pathy_support_that_is_for_sure.