Football Amari Cooper traded to the Cowboys - Page 10

George Liquor · 10-22-2018, 01:12 PM

Wtf are the Raiders doing?

Mecca · 10-22-2018, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

Just a couple years ago the cowgirls had toned down their wild ass decision making and were actually moving in the right direction and having decent drafts. This is going to blow up in their face.

They don't have a choice, they have 0 receivers which makes it hard to judge their QB and the draft doesn't look to have any good ones either.

PunkinDrublic · 10-22-2018, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

They don't have a choice, they have 0 receivers which makes it hard to judge their QB and the draft doesn't look to have any good ones either.

Yeah but is Cooper going to be that guy? Jerry has done this before and it’s never worked out.

**Buehler445** · 10-22-2018, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

They're going to **** the free agent market up something awful.

They have NOBODY worth spending money on. Nobody at all. They're going to go into the FA market with like $100 million in cap space and just spend like they'll lose it if they don't.

They're going to be able to out-suck the NFL for 1.1, IMO. The Giants have Barkley and that will get them to 3-4 wins. The Cardinals and 49ers play each other so there's 2 wins in some capacity there. The Raiders may get to 3 wins but 2-14 seems pretty likely.

So with Herbert, a likely WR somewhere in the draft and probably a pass rusher of some sort, they'll go HARD after free agents over the next 2 seasons. What the hell else can they do? They don't have anyone on that roster left to extend.

Surely they will flip that cap and some picks into trades, right? Didn’t they have this same deal a few years ago and had to give some shitty FB a massive contract to meet the floor?

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Originally Posted by DRM08

Problem is Mahomes’ talent only comes along once a decade. Last one before Mahomes was Rodgers in 2005. Gruden ain’t gonna find that talent in the next few draft classes. But at least he can start over instead of dealing with damaged goods in Derek Carr.

Yeah, he wasn’t fully damaged until Gruden Rolled in. Del Rio of all ****s couldn’t break him. Gruden did it in 4 games.

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Originally Posted by Spott

I went ahead and looked up his draft history with the Bucs & Raiders. He's on DV's level as far as drafting, and the two high drafts picks that he's used on QB's were Marques Tuiasosopo and Chris Simms.

Simms wasn’t awful. Until Gruden deaded him.

**DaKCMan AP** · 10-23-2018, 05:38 AM

This trade isn't that bad when you consider the patriots traded a 1st and 3rd for Brandin Cooks and a 4th.

At the time, Cooks played 3 years in NO:
162 receptions, 2861 yards, 20 TD

Cooper through first 3 years in Oak (this is his 4th season):
203 receptions, 2903 yards, 18 TD, 2x pro bowl

Mother****erJones · 10-23-2018, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by R8RFAN

Nah... You all are good but as usual you will f it up

Rumor is Carr to the Giants

Chiefs have a young superstar QB. Alex ain’t walking through that door. You’re ****ed for the next decade. Enjoy your Sundays fishing until you croak

BigCatDaddy · 10-23-2018, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

This trade isn't that bad when you consider the patriots traded a 1st and 3rd for Brandin Cooks and a 4th.

At the time, Cooks played 3 years in NO:
162 receptions, 2861 yards, 20 TD

Cooper through first 3 years in Oak (this is his 4th season):
203 receptions, 2903 yards, 18 TD, 2x pro bowl

He's on pace this year for 800 yards 60 receptions and 3tds. I would trade based on future expectations not past performance but that's just me.

Skyy God · 10-23-2018, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

This trade isn't that bad when you consider the patriots traded a 1st and 3rd for Brandin Cooks and a 4th.

At the time, Cooks played 3 years in NO:
162 receptions, 2861 yards, 20 TD

Cooper through first 3 years in Oak (this is his 4th season):
203 receptions, 2903 yards, 18 TD, 2x pro bowl

Yeah, but his trendline is pointing down. And Garrett is as bad at coaching as Chucky. Not likely to reverse that trend.

If they needed a receiver, they should have sent a 4th to Cleveland for Gordon.

**DaKCMan AP** · 10-23-2018, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

He's on pace this year for 800 yards 60 receptions and 3tds. I would trade based on future expectations not past performance but that's just me.

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson

Yeah, but his trendline is pointing down. And Garrett is as bad at coaching as Chucky. Not likely to reverse that trend.

If they needed a receiver, they should have sent a 4th to Cleveland for Gordon.

Valid points on Cooper's trend, and I agree the price is high. I just don't see it as crazy compared to Cooks.

lawrenceRaider · 10-23-2018, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson

Yeah, but his trendline is pointing down. And Garrett is as bad at coaching as Chucky. Not likely to reverse that trend.

If they needed a receiver, they should have sent a 4th to Cleveland for Gordon.

That has as much to do with Carr's suckitude as it does anything with Cooper. Cooper often runs free after torching a DB only to have Carr throw it to someone behind the LOS.

In58men · 10-24-2018, 03:40 PM

Uhhhhh we don’t want him you can have him back, thanks for the test drive though fam.

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Rudy tossed tigger's salad · 10-24-2018, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by In58men

Uhhhhh we don’t want him you can have him back, thanks for the test drive though fam.

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ThaVirus · 10-24-2018, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by In58men

Uhhhhh we don’t want him you can have him back, thanks for the test drive though fam.

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No way.

With this and his comments about it being tough to find pass rushers after trading Mack, he's GOT to be trolling.

DJ's left nut · 11-06-2018, 10:51 AM

So here's an interesting thought that I pondered as I was watching Cooper be average as hell last night.

I think we all kinda view Sammy Watkins deal as a 2 year contract with the overwhelming odds being that he doesn't see that 3rd year at $20+ million on the cap. But the Chiefs structured that deal in a way that would make it VERY appealing in trade.

If they cut him, $7 million in signing bonus hits their cap that last season because they put a SHITLOAD of his deal into bonus. His base salary in that final year is only $13.75 million. I mean I say 'only' but that's actually very reasonable for teams looking for a potential WR1. He'll still only be 27 yrs old heading into that season. We essentially absorb 1/3 of his cap hit and now a potential WR1 can be had for a team via trade with a really reasonable single season cap hit of a tick under $14 million.

Now I'm not saying we'll get a 1 for him, but there's a real chance we could get a 3 and I would think a 2 isn't impossible if he stays productive over the next season+.

If we're gonna cut him in that third season anyway, the amount of accelerated bonus onto our cap is irrelevant. So if we can trade him instead (and we really should be able to), there's a way to recapture some draft capital that could help offset the cap hit. It makes that contract all the more palatable given that we're getting him well under market this season.

Marco Polo · 11-06-2018, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So here's an interesting thought that I pondered as I was watching Cooper be average as hell last night.

I think we all kinda view Sammy Watkins deal as a 2 year contract with the overwhelming odds being that he doesn't see that 3rd year at $20+ million on the cap. But the Chiefs structured that deal in a way that would make it VERY appealing in trade.

If they cut him, $7 million in signing bonus hits their cap that last season because they put a SHITLOAD of his deal into bonus. His base salary in that final year is only $13.75 million. I mean I say 'only' but that's actually very reasonable for teams looking for a potential WR1. He'll still only be 27 yrs old heading into that season. We essentially absorb 1/3 of his cap hit and now a potential WR1 can be had for a team via trade with a really reasonable single season cap hit of a tick under $14 million.

Now I'm not saying we'll get a 1 for him, but there's a real chance we could get a 3 and I would think a 2 isn't impossible if he stays productive over the next season+.

If we're gonna cut him in that third season anyway, the amount of accelerated bonus onto our cap is irrelevant. So if we can trade him instead (and we really should be able to), there's a way to recapture some draft capital that could help offset the cap hit. It makes that contract all the more palatable given that we're getting him well under market this season.

I like your thinking

carlos3652 · 11-06-2018, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So here's an interesting thought that I pondered as I was watching Cooper be average as hell last night.

I think we all kinda view Sammy Watkins deal as a 2 year contract with the overwhelming odds being that he doesn't see that 3rd year at $20+ million on the cap. But the Chiefs structured that deal in a way that would make it VERY appealing in trade.

If they cut him, $7 million in signing bonus hits their cap that last season because they put a SHITLOAD of his deal into bonus. His base salary in that final year is only $13.75 million. I mean I say 'only' but that's actually very reasonable for teams looking for a potential WR1. He'll still only be 27 yrs old heading into that season. We essentially absorb 1/3 of his cap hit and now a potential WR1 can be had for a team via trade with a really reasonable single season cap hit of a tick under $14 million.

Now I'm not saying we'll get a 1 for him, but there's a real chance we could get a 3 and I would think a 2 isn't impossible if he stays productive over the next season+.

If we're gonna cut him in that third season anyway, the amount of accelerated bonus onto our cap is irrelevant. So if we can trade him instead (and we really should be able to), there's a way to recapture some draft capital that could help offset the cap hit. It makes that contract all the more palatable given that we're getting him well under market this season.

Who gave him that contract?

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DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-860901	So here's an interesting thought that I pondered as I was watching Cooper be average as hell last night. I think we all kinda view Sammy Watkins deal as a 2 year contract with the overwhelming odds being that he doesn't see that 3rd year at $20+ million on the cap. But the Chiefs structured that deal in a way that would make it VERY appealing in trade. If they cut him, $7 million in signing bonus hits their cap that last season because they put a SHITLOAD of his deal into bonus. His base salary in that final year is only $13.75 million. I mean I say 'only' but that's actually very reasonable for teams looking for a potential WR1. He'll still only be 27 yrs old heading into that season. We essentially absorb 1/3 of his cap hit and now a potential WR1 can be had for a team via trade with a really reasonable single season cap hit of a tick under $14 million. Now I'm not saying we'll get a 1 for him, but there's a real chance we could get a 3 and I would think a 2 isn't impossible if he stays productive over the next season+. If we're gonna cut him in that third season anyway, the amount of accelerated bonus onto our cap is irrelevant. So if we can trade him instead (and we really should be able to), there's a way to recapture some draft capital that could help offset the cap hit. It makes that contract all the more palatable given that we're getting him well under market this season. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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