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Old 11-06-2018, 02:24 PM  
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What happened to Marcus Peters?


Just a season ago, then-Kansas City Chiefs cornerback Marcus Peters was thriving. He graded as the 14th best corner in the regular season at 80.7 and stymied opposing quarterbacks who dared to throw at him — allowing a 66.0 passer rating (15th). He continued to rack up interceptions — it was his third straight year with five or more. But after being traded to the Los Angeles Rams this past offseason, Peters has struggled amid his team’s formidable defense (and offense). In the team’s first loss to the New Orleans Saints, Peters’ deficiencies were exacerbated.

Aside from the Rams’ game against the San Francisco 49ers, where he wasn’t targeted all game, Peters has allowed a passer rating of 100.0 or more in six of eight games when he’s the primary defender in coverage. He only had five such instances last year, and the situation appears even more concerning: He has already allowed six touchdowns, two more than he gave up in 2017, and has only one interception to show for it.

Peters was unable to control Saints wide receiver, Michael Thomas. After allowing six catches on eight targets to Thomas ranging anywhere from seven to 19 yards, Peters was beaten big when it mattered most late in the fourth quarter. Thomas simply ran past Peters in press coverage, and quarterback Drew Brees threw over Peters’ head into Thomas’ waiting arms for a 72-yard score that was the final dagger to the previously undefeated Rams.

The Rams don’t have much to worry about at 8-1, but Peters’ uncharacteristic poor play could become a decisive factor come playoff time. He’s matched up against big-name receivers thus far: Thomas (90.7 grade), Davante Adams (82.5 grade) and Adam Thielen (90.8 grade). It’s a likely possibility that he’ll have to go another round against at least one of them when January rolls around. In the past two weeks, Peters has been targeted 20 times — tied for the most among cornerbacks in that span. Opposing quarterbacks have clearly taken notice his downfall.

That raises the obvious question: What changed for Marcus Peters? Or rather, what changed around Marcus Peters? For one, the big-play receivers he’s followed this year are seeing more targets (and more accurate targets) than the ones he stuck with a year ago. For example, in 2017, Antonio Brown was targeted just three times in Peters’ coverage for a measly two receptions for 14 yards. Brown finished with eight catches for 155 yards and a touchdown in that game, so clearly, Peters was at his best. DeVante Parker was targeted seven times against Peters in 2017, but only four were deemed catchable, and just two were caught.

This year, he’s seen nine targets (seven catchable) against Thomas, six (five catchable) against Adams and four (three catchable) against Thielen. In other words, NFC quarterbacks are testing Peters more than ever before with accurate throws, and he’s not coming away with interceptions, or success in general, at the rate he’s been used to.

In his rookie year, Peters was targeted a league-high 137 times (and he was the most targeted cornerback from 2015-2017). Peters had nine picks that year despite allowing eight touchdowns, compared to just one interception this season. Also, he only allowed opposing signal-callers to complete 50.4% of those throws in his coverage. This season, that number has ballooned to 72.3%. As for why the discrepancy between that year and this year exists is hard to say. But it appears that Peters’ move to the NFC may have something to do with it.

Through nine weeks, Peters has a 45.6 grade which ranks 106th of 111 cornerbacks, and his near-perfect passer rating allowed of 145.6 is 107th. He’s also already allowed more yards in coverage this year than in all of 2017. It’s been a staggering tumble from stardom for him — but it’s truly the best-case scenario as he attempts to make the climb back to glory. His team is considered a title contender and his offense and defensive line are playing lights out. Now, it’s a matter of whether Peters can get right in the next seven weeks before his team has to prove itself in a playoff run.


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Old 11-06-2018, 02:43 PM   #16
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He's not a press/man corner. He wasn't good at it in KC, and he wasn't making plays like that. He's a read and react guy who works best in off coverage. That's been the case his entire KC career.

He's a square peg and Wade's scheme is a round hole. Wade should adapt, because Peters isn't going to suddenly become a press man corner who can shadow around the field. That's not his game.
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Old 11-06-2018, 02:45 PM   #17
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I think it's pretty clear now that we have the luxury of hindsight.

The Chiefs were primarily a zone coverage scheme these past few seasons. This is why Peters forced so many turnovers, being able to play zone, read and react. The Chiefs emphasized all off season how they wanted to play man coverage.

Peters isn't a good man coverage corner and his season with the Rams, who want to play press, is illustrating that.

Couple that with his abrasive personalty and big pay day coming due, the Chiefs parted ways.
Peters can play man just fine, but keep him on the OUTSIDE and let him play OFF.

If he can see and diagnose the play, he can stay ahead of the route. Peters isn't a freak athlete corner who runs a 4.2 and bases his game on lightning quick reactions to WR movements.

He's still a guy that will get beat a times, but at least this way he'll be taking the ball away more.

it's not just hindsight. I told people he wouldn't fit in Wade's scheme when the trade happened and the general response was 'Sutton sucks and wade is good, therefor you're stupid."

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I know that this is a joke. But it is interesting how the 2 best corners that we've had in recent years have sucked after they left KC. The other corner being Sean Smith. And really, Smith wasn't all that great in Miami before he became a Chief. Many of us wondered why we signed him. But he turned out to be very good for KC. Then he left for Chokeland and sucked. Now, Scandrick is looking much better in this system than he has in recent seasons. I can't explain why that has been the case.
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I know that this is a joke. But it is interesting how the 2 best corners that we've had in recent years have sucked after they left KC. The other corner being Sean Smith. And really, Smith wasn't all that great in Miami before he became a Chief. Many of us wondered why we signed him. But he turned out to be very good for KC. Then he left for Chokeland and sucked. Now, Scandrick is looking much better in this system than he has in recent seasons. I can't explain why that has been the case.
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Also, with the Rams he's shadowing #1's, which he was not doing in KC. In KC, opposing offenses moved their #1 around to create the ideal matchup.
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I know that this is a joke. But it is interesting how the 2 best corners that we've had in recent years have sucked after they left KC. The other corner being Sean Smith. And really, Smith wasn't all that great in Miami before he became a Chief. Many of us wondered why we signed him. But he turned out to be very good for KC. Then he left for Chokeland and sucked. Now, Scandrick is looking much better in this system than he has in recent seasons. I can't explain why that has been the case.
The list of corners that have struggled here under Sutton might be longer than those that thrived. (Maybe that's true of most teams? I don't know.) If only we could add to the list of safeties that thrive here under Sutton.
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Peters can play man just fine, but keep him on the OUTSIDE and let him play OFF.

If he can see and diagnose the play, he can stay ahead of the route. Peters isn't a freak athlete corner who runs a 4.2 and bases his game on lightning quick reactions to WR movements.

He's still a guy that will get beat a times, but at least this way he'll be taking the ball away more.

it's not just hindsight. I told people he wouldn't fit in Wade's scheme when the trade happened and the general response was 'Sutton sucks and wade is good, therefor you're stupid."

Well...
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It's actually completely wrong that the Chiefs were a zone team with Peters.



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No team plays more man-coverage than the Chiefs. The Chiefs use Cover-1 (man coverage with a single-high safety) as their staple coverage, and run it more than any other side. They have allowed three passing touchdowns in this coverage shell and five touchdowns in man coverage overall, allowing just 50 percent of the passes thrown against their man coverage to be caught.
But what I'm guessing is that the Rams are barely playing any off-man coverage, which allowed Peters to read the QB and give a cushion on deep balls. If he's just playing straight bump and run most of the time he's going to get toasted by guys who are faster than he is.

I also see they're putting Peters in the slot, and the Chiefs NEVER did that IIRC.
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