Cardinals 2018 STL Cardinals Thread - Page 267

**BigRedChief** · 02:21 PM

Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
Pham CF
Carpenter 3B
Ozuna LF
Martinez 1B
Molina C
Dejong SS
Wong 2B
Pitcher

Edit:
Matheny fired 07/14/2018

Opening Day Roster

Spoiler!

**BigRedChief** · 11-10-2018, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Buster Olney takes a general statement from Theo saying that they will listen to all trade offers and turns it into the Cubs are shopping Bryant and idiots take it to the bank.

maybe it was GM speak but he did reject long term contract offers, got the hitting coach fired and reportly clashed on how to rehab the shoulder.

Bottom line...... your “dynasty” ain’t happening.

jd1020 · 11-10-2018, 11:44 AM

Literally the only thing you just said that has any truth behind it is that it was GM speak.

VAChief · 11-10-2018, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Literally the only thing you just said that has any truth behind it is that it was GM speak.

The last statement is on track right now.

jd1020 · 11-10-2018, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by VAChief

The last statement is on track right now.

How so?

Theres one dynasty in baseball right now and that's Boston.

It took them 3 years to win their 2nd WS, 6 more years for their 3rd, 4 more years for their 4th.

In year 3 the Red Sox didn't even make the playoffs.

The Cubs are still the cream of the crop in the NL. They just need to stop ****ing around with the leadoff hitter. It's pretty clear what they've been missing since 2016 and that is the production that Fowler provided in the #1 spot. The only way they've been able to keep getting production from that spot is by dicking around with putting guys like Bryant and Rizzo there which completely ****s up the middle of the lineup where you would want those guys to be hitting.

I can't believe they weren't in on Mallex Smith. They have ties with Tampa and he just went for a package they could have easily afforded.

VAChief · 11-10-2018, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

How so?

Theres one dynasty in baseball right now and that's Boston.

It took them 3 years to win their 2nd WS, 6 more years for their 3rd, 4 more years for their 4th.

In year 3 the Red Sox didn't even make the playoffs.

The Cubs are still the cream of the crop in the NL. They just need to stop ****ing around with the leadoff hitter. It's pretty clear what they've been missing since 2016 and that is the production that Fowler provided in the #1 spot. The only way they've been able to keep getting production from that spot is by dicking around with putting guys like Bryant and Rizzo there which completely ****s up the middle of the lineup where you would want those guys to be hitting.

I can't believe they weren't in on Mallex Smith. They have ties with Tampa and he just went for a package they could have easily afforded.

I realize to a Cub fan that one World Series win feels like a dynasty, but the rest of us have a considerably higher standard.

You keep stating they are the cream of the crop of the NL, yet the Dodgers have won the NLCS back to back.

They were loaded with expectations for their prospects, but that luster has dimmed considerably. They could still win it all, certainly in the discussion as baseball is a funny game, but they have have a lot of things go right to start talking dynasty.

jd1020 · 11-10-2018, 01:18 PM

Their "prospects" are still producing.

Bryant was hurt. Baez is going to be 2nd in MVP voting. Schwarber was close to his rookie numbers. Contreras is one of the best offensive catchers in the game. Rizzo wasnt in the prospect group but hes still a near lock for 30/100.

Russell and CF are really the only positions to have regressed.

Like I said, the lack of a true table setter since Fowler has hurt more than anything. The team continues to deny it's an issue by claiming they have one of the most productive batting lines from #1, which they do, but they ignore who they are using to get those numbers.

VAChief · 11-10-2018, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Their "prospects" are still producing.

Bryant was hurt. Baez is going to be 2nd in MVP voting. Schwarber was close to his rookie numbers. Contreras is one of the best offensive catchers in the game. Rizzo wasnt in the prospect group but hes still a near lock for 30/100.

Russell and CF are really the only positions to have regressed.

Like I said, the lack of a true table setter since Fowler has hurt more than anything. The team continues to deny it's an issue by claiming they have one of the most productive batting lines from #1, which they do, but they ignore who they are using to get those numbers.

Well shoot if all that is holding you back from a dynasty is the absence of Fowler I am going to go out on a limb and say you can probably get him back for a case of sunflower seeds.

I still don’t hear any evidence other than armchair homerism about batting order that supports your assertion they are the cream of the NL.

Lester is no longer a #1, who know if Darvish will ever man up again. Hendicks Jeff Suppan act is starting to fade. Quintana? Meh okay. Young arms on the horizon? Not a whole lot to hang your hopes on there either.

jd1020 · 11-10-2018, 02:04 PM

Lol.

Homerism.

You're right. The Cubs are trash. They dont have the most wins in the NL since 2015.

Tell me about those higher Cardinals expectations of simply making the playoffs. Maybe they can sign a 2nd tier FA like Donaldson. Fingers crossed!

Marcellus · 11-10-2018, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Lol.

Homerism.

You're right. The Cubs are trash. They dont have the most wins in the NL since 2015.

Tell me about those higher Cardinals expectations of simply making the playoffs. Maybe they can sign a 2nd tier FA like Donaldson. Fingers crossed!

1 WS = Dynasty!!!!!!!!!!

The cards are averaging a WS appearance every 3.5 years since 2004.

Eat a bag of dicks.

jd1020 · 11-10-2018, 02:16 PM

Never said 1 WS was a dynasty.

Pay attention.

Marcellus · 11-10-2018, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Never said 1 WS was a dynasty.

Pay attention.

You aren't close to creating a dynasty, pay attention.

You arent close to replicating the Cardinals success from 2004 to 2013.

Or SF or LA's.

You are damn near the Royals.

jd1020 · 11-10-2018, 02:19 PM

LA's success? Excuse me?

Marcellus · 11-10-2018, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

LA's success? Excuse me?

I guess that was a bad example.

jd1020 · 11-10-2018, 02:30 PM

And the Cardinals won 2 WS in that 10 year span. The Cubs have 1 in the 4 years since they've made the playoffs in 2015. So they still have 6 years to scrape out 1 more WS.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-10-2018, 02:32 PM

Start your own Cubs thread, FFS.

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jd1020 In Search of a Life Join Date: Nov 2010 Casino cash: $7042645	Their "prospects" are still producing. Bryant was hurt. Baez is going to be 2nd in MVP voting. Schwarber was close to his rookie numbers. Contreras is one of the best offensive catchers in the game. Rizzo wasnt in the prospect group but hes still a near lock for 30/100. Russell and CF are really the only positions to have regressed. Like I said, the lack of a true table setter since Fowler has hurt more than anything. The team continues to deny it's an issue by claiming they have one of the most productive batting lines from #1, which they do, but they ignore who they are using to get those numbers.
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11-10-2018, 02:04 PM	#3998
jd1020 In Search of a Life Join Date: Nov 2010 Casino cash: $7042645	Lol. Homerism. You're right. The Cubs are trash. They dont have the most wins in the NL since 2015. Tell me about those higher Cardinals expectations of simply making the playoffs. Maybe they can sign a 2nd tier FA like Donaldson. Fingers crossed!
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