2018 STL Cardinals Thread

[BigRedChief]

Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
Pham CF
Carpenter 3B
Ozuna LF
Martinez 1B
Molina C
Dejong SS
Wong 2B
Pitcher

Edit:
Matheny fired 07/14/2018




Opening Day Roster

Spoiler!

St. Louis has opted to carry 12 position players and 13 pitchers to begin the new season, with a four-man bench and eight-man bullpen.

Outfielders:
Dexter Fowler
Tommy Pham
Marcell Ozuna

Infielders:
Matt Carpenter
Paul DeJong
Kolten Wong

Catchers:
Yadier Molina
Francisco Pena

Utility:
Jose Martinez
Greg Garcia
Yairo Munoz
Jedd Gyrko

Starters:
Carlos Martinez
Michael Wacha
Luke Weaver
Miles Mikolas
Jack Flaherty

Relievers:
Dominic Leone
Tyler Lyons
Bud Norris
Brett Cecil
Sam Tuivailala
Matt Bowman
Jordan Hicks
Mike Mayers

On the DL:
Adam Wainwright
Luke Gregerson

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Wow, that dude is actually worse than Garcia. Nice work, Mo.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Wow, that dude is actually worse than Garcia. Nice work, Mo.

**** Garcia. Munoz is a way better choice for the utility role.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

**** Garcia. Munoz is a way better choice for the utility role.

Garcia is a LH utility player. This guy is a utility player too,just worse.

[George Liquor]

Originally Posted by O.city

Clear money for Harper.

I'm not a contract guru, but how does adding 19 million in salary clear money for Harper?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Wow, that dude is actually worse than Garcia. Nice work, Mo.

Eh - he's a lefthanded Munoz. Defense, approach, all of it.

He absolutely mauled righies in his minor league career and showed a surprising amount of pop for a utility player.

I said when we acquired Munoz that I'd have some use for him if he hit lefthanded, well that's pretty much what Robinson is. He has a chance to be a pretty useful 25th man on the roster which makes him more valuable than Garcia.

It's a 'meh' deal but a fairly useful one, especially since he still has an option year left. I don't see anything to complain about with this deal and if the !@#$ing guy would go get Harper and then move Martinez for a 'stuff' lefty instead of a 'name' lefty, we'd be in pretty good shape.

There's always been a path towards contention with this team if Mozeliak has the juevos to pull it off.

Sadly, he doesn't.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Career minor league numbers are sub-Garcia, hence the concern. The extra year compared to Wisdom is useful, but this guy's projections say AAA.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Career minor league numbers are sub-Garcia, hence the concern. The extra year compared to Wisdom is useful, but this guy's projections say AAA.

we got a ton of legitimate beefs with this FO. getting anything for a guy that any team could have had for nothing but a waiver or rule 5 claim doesn’t get my pissed off juices flowing.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Eh - he's a lefthanded Munoz. Defense, approach, all of it.

He absolutely mauled righies in his minor league career and showed a surprising amount of pop for a utility player.

I said when we acquired Munoz that I'd have some use for him if he hit lefthanded, well that's pretty much what Robinson is. He has a chance to be a pretty useful 25th man on the roster which makes him more valuable than Garcia.

It's a 'meh' deal but a fairly useful one, especially since he still has an option year left. I don't see anything to complain about with this deal and if the !@#$ing guy would go get Harper and then move Martinez for a 'stuff' lefty instead of a 'name' lefty, we'd be in pretty good shape.

There's always been a path towards contention with this team if Mozeliak has the juevos to pull it off.

Sadly, he doesn't.

If they could flip Martinez for Puig, would that work?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Career minor league numbers are sub-Garcia, hence the concern. The extra year compared to Wisdom is useful, but this guy's projections say AAA.

I don't bother with anything below AAA stats, for good or ill.

He has a significant enough sample size at AAA to draw from and it shows a guy with good power and solid plate discipline. And when you break it into splits, it shows a guy that absolutely smokes right-handed pitching.

Garcia was an average only guy who went up there looking to hit a well placed grounder or battle long enough to draw a walk. That's not completely useless but it was on this squad where we had no lefthanded power. This kid, OTOH, gives us an actual role off the bench in late innings. He's probably not someone that's going to go out there and house Kimbrel or anything, but he can get out there in the 8th against a setup man and put one in the gap for a crooked number here and there.

Now to be fair, his big league numbers say he may be a AAAA guy and if so, eh, whatever. We didn't give up anything for him and we still have Edman who will be Greg Garcia when he grows up. But the plan here is sound.

If I'm going to grade on process, the process here makes sense.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

If they could flip Martinez for Puig, would that work?

No. Why would I want to do anything to make it easier for the Dodgers to get Harper?

[The Franchise]

Who knows what the **** the Dodgers are doing. There are tons of rumors out there.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by The Pest

Who knows what the **** the Dodgers are doing. There are tons of rumors out there.

In the end the team that won the NL Pennant will do a hell of a lot more to improve themselves than the squad that came in 3rd in the NL Central.

I'm pretty sure we can bank on that.

Because some teams give a shit - others want 90 wins and consider a $50 million profit break even.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

This one is a surprise. #Dodgers talking to #STLCards about Jose Martinez, sources tell The Athletic. LAD could play the defensively challenged Martinez at first base, with Muncy at second and Bellinger in center.

— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) December 12, 2018

According to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic, the Dodgers are talking to the Cardinals about Jose Martinez.

Martinez doesn't make a ton of sense on paper for the Dodgers given his struggles defensively at first base and in the outfield, but perhaps they would promptly flip him to an American League team. The 30-year-old can certainly hit -- he's posted an .850 OPS in 270 games over the last three seasons with St. Louis. Martinez seems certain to be traded somewhere this winter.

[DJ's left nut]

There are rumors that the Cardinals would consider dealing O'Neill for Will Smith.

I mean **** me in the face at that point. That deal would be STAGGERINGLY stupid. I mean just unbelievably idiotic. 1 !@#$ing season of a lefthanded reliever for 6 years of a 30+ HR outfielder who will take a walk and can play CF in a pinch.

I'd say they aren't that stupid but...they are.

As for the Dodgers - what gives the Dodgers the ability to flip Martinez to an AL team if the Cardinals can't? Aren't they effectively talking about a 3-team deal in 2 parts at that point? Is Mozeliak still chafing about that time he gave up a cleanup hitter in a trade that involved Corey Kluber and he ended up with that piece of shit Jake Westbrook?

I mean I know his history with 3-team deals isn't great....well y'know what, his history with 2 team deals isn't all that stellar either.

Just go back to be, Moe. This job's beyond your pay grade.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No. Why would I want to do anything to make it easier for the Dodgers to get Harper?

Well, because I know they aren’t getting Harper in stl so might as well atleast entertain me