2018 STL Cardinals Thread

[BigRedChief]

Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
Pham CF
Carpenter 3B
Ozuna LF
Martinez 1B
Molina C
Dejong SS
Wong 2B
Pitcher

Edit:
Matheny fired 07/14/2018




Opening Day Roster

Spoiler!

St. Louis has opted to carry 12 position players and 13 pitchers to begin the new season, with a four-man bench and eight-man bullpen.

Outfielders:
Dexter Fowler
Tommy Pham
Marcell Ozuna

Infielders:
Matt Carpenter
Paul DeJong
Kolten Wong

Catchers:
Yadier Molina
Francisco Pena

Utility:
Jose Martinez
Greg Garcia
Yairo Munoz
Jedd Gyrko

Starters:
Carlos Martinez
Michael Wacha
Luke Weaver
Miles Mikolas
Jack Flaherty

Relievers:
Dominic Leone
Tyler Lyons
Bud Norris
Brett Cecil
Sam Tuivailala
Matt Bowman
Jordan Hicks
Mike Mayers

On the DL:
Adam Wainwright
Luke Gregerson

[DJ's left nut]

But guys I was depreeeeesed....

https://www.stltoday.com/sports/base...ml?mode=nowapp

Sounds like someone sulked because he couldn't play his way onto the field to me. But Dexter and his social media savvy internet famous wife concocted themselves a nice little attack-proof narrative built around a hot-button issue to shield him from criticism. 'Depressed' sounds a lot better than 'pouting' and I see no evidence that there's any clinical distinction in Fowler's case. If he got some time off, talked to Barry Bonds about hitting and is all better now, he damn sure wasn't clinically depressed. But good luck trying to make that point; the usual suspects will jump your ass for being insensitive AND racist.

If he sucks again this year we'll find out that he's actually transgender and was tired of hiding himself from the world or some other such horseshit.

**** Fowler.

[raybec 4]

How much water would being depressed hold at any other job?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by raybec 4

How much water would being depressed hold at any other job?

Technically quite a bit, if it's a diagnosis of clinical depression I'm fairly certain you end up with ADA protections.

But this ain't that. This is just throwing up a buzz word because he was pissed off at his boss.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by raybec 4

How much water would being depressed hold at any other job?

If its clinical depression and diagnosed by a Dr.? Every business in America would take it seriously.

It means you are going to cause harm to yourself. You know this and do nothing, its held up in court that you are as liable to be sued or face criminal charges if you knew a crime was going to be committed that would cause harm to innocent citizens.

Of course, Fowler doesn't have that diagnosis. He was sad because he was embarrassed and lost his job after being a bigshot. Thats not a legal thing.

[VAChief]

I sincerely hope he bounces back too, I just don't understand why it's an either/or situation. You can sign Harper AND give Fowler a chance. Last I checked there are 3 outfield spots. Bader could regress, although unlikely defensively and Ozuna's arm could fall off.

[VAChief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But guys I was depreeeeesed....

https://www.stltoday.com/sports/base...ml?mode=nowapp

Sounds like someone sulked because he couldn't play his way onto the field to me. But Dexter and his social media savvy internet famous wife concocted themselves a nice little attack-proof narrative built around a hot-button issue to shield him from criticism. 'Depressed' sounds a lot better than 'pouting' and I see no evidence that there's any clinical distinction in Fowler's case. If he got some time off, talked to Barry Bonds about hitting and is all better now, he damn sure wasn't clinically depressed. But good luck trying to make that point; the usual suspects will jump your ass for being insensitive AND racist.

If he sucks again this year we'll find out that he's actually transgender and was tired of hiding himself from the world or some other such horseshit.

**** Fowler.

It's not insensitive or racist and I'm pretty liberal. I'm also driven by facts, and the facts were not on his side. You want to play hit better, and maybe try cutting off balls that Matt Adams can get to before they drop.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by VAChief

I sincerely hope he bounces back too, I just don't understand why it's an either/or situation. You can sign Harper AND give Fowler a chance. Last I checked there are 3 outfield spots. Bader could regress, although unlikely defensively and Ozuna's arm could fall off.

Since we are stuck with him, I hope he bounces back too. I hope that something clicks in O'Neill and he cuts down on his strikeouts. I hope that the new hitting coaches and analytic coaches can also improve Bader, DeJong and Wong's K's. I hope that Reyes can stay healthy all year. And so on and so on. Seems like we are due for lots of "hope" this year.

[Miles]

Originally Posted by VAChief

I sincerely hope he bounces back too, I just don't understand why it's an either/or situation. You can sign Harper AND give Fowler a chance. Last I checked there are 3 outfield spots. Bader could regress, although unlikely defensively and Ozuna's arm could fall off.

Exactly. If fine giving him a chance but shouldn’t be counting on him to rebound as though it were some sort of sure thing and preventing other moves.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Since we are stuck with him, I hope he bounces back too. I hope that something clicks in O'Neill and he cuts down on his strikeouts. I hope that the new hitting coaches and analytic coaches can also improve Bader, DeJong and Wong's K's. I hope that Reyes can stay healthy all year. And so on and so on. Seems like we are due for lots of "hope" this year.

I don't.

For the same reasons I wasn't 'hoping' for Matheny to figure anything out the last 2 seasons.

I'm tired of the Cardinals being rewarded for rank indifference. The system had enough arms coming through it to save Matheny's ass time and time again. In the process he just kept wrecking them. Now we've burned up a bunch of service time from Reyes to no benefit, we've traded Weaver at his lowest possible value, we've shredded lefthanded relievers repeatedly, causing us to spend money on Cecil that now pushes us 'past budget' for the Bryce Harpers of the world.

Seeing a team coast on it laurels and not bottom out on account of it isn't something worth 'hoping' for. I want to see Dexter's sweet smile everytime Harper blasts a ball over his head into the RF seats. I want to see that clown strike out with runners in scoring position every chance he gets. I want to see abject failure from the guy.

Because it's the only way to shake this organization out of its malaise. At some point they convinced themselves they're just smarter than everyone and it has to stop.

[BigRedChief]

This is just sad from Bernie’s column on the Athletic.

After all, in the post-2016 offseason, only the Dodgers spent more money on free agents than the Cardinals, who invested $113 million in free-agent contracts for outfielder Dexter Fowler and reliever Brett Cecil.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

This is just sad from Bernie’s column on the Athletic.

After all, in the post-2016 offseason, only the Dodgers spent more money on free agents than the Cardinals, who invested $113 million in free-agent contracts for outfielder Dexter Fowler and reliever Brett Cecil.

Might be a reason why DeWitt is hesitant to give Mo a blank check.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Might be a reason why DeWitt is hesitant to give Mo a blank check.

If you don't trust your GM enough to empower him utilize the full extent of your available resources, fire his ass.

Well...unless your goal isn't championships but rather half measures designed to spur fan interest while maximizing profit.

So I guess it all makes sense.

[jd1020]

You're selling Mo short, he's President now.

[George Liquor]

I said something about signing Harper on a Cardinals fb post earlier today. I absolutely cannot believe how many people think it's a bad idea because Dewallet wouldn't get the right ROI.

LOL @ fans worrying about Dewallet's profit margins over winning a championship. Best fans in baseball my ass.

[Miles]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

This is just sad from Bernie’s column on the Athletic.

After all, in the post-2016 offseason, only the Dodgers spent more money on free agents than the Cardinals, who invested $113 million in free-agent contracts for outfielder Dexter Fowler and reliever Brett Cecil.

Good for a combined -0.3 WAR through two seasons.