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Old 01-03-2019, 11:10 AM   #1
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So it's not his fault that he didn't bring in better replacements when guys got older?
Billay will ignore Dorsey’s 2016 draft disaster he failed miserably to retool the secondary with Eric Murray, KeiVarae Russell and DJ White.
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Billay will ignore Dorsey’s 2016 draft disaster he failed miserably to retool the secondary with Eric Murray, KeiVarae Russell and DJ White.
The disaster that landed us Chris Jones and Tyreek Hill?
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The disaster that landed us Chris Jones and Tyreek Hill?
That’s not the secondary.

Dorsey couldn’t find ILB’s or secondary players in the draft outside of Peters who was a failure by Dorsey.

Phillip Gaines and Terrance Mitchell were also disasters last year. Do you remember who brought them in?
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That’s not the secondary.

Dorsey couldn’t find ILB’s or secondary players in the draft outside of Peters who was a failure by Dorsey.

Phillip Gaines and Terrance Mitchell were also disasters last year. Do you remember who brought them in?
Mitchell was a good corner for a year. Infact if you bump old threads you will see S Taylor couldnt stop raving about the guy. He found talent in the secondary early on it aged needed to be replaced and the problem is the current GM replaced those aging players with other aging players.
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Mitchell was a good corner for a year. Infact if you bump old threads you will see S Taylor couldnt stop raving about the guy. He found talent in the secondary early on it aged needed to be replaced and the problem is the current GM replaced those aging players with other aging players.
So the whole secondary aged and needed replaced in one season and we're upset it wasn't replaced in one offseason?

That's fine, it definitely needed addressed. But so did the whole damn defense.

It needed to be burned down and started over.
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So the whole secondary aged and needed replaced in one season and we're upset it wasn't replaced in one offseason?

That's fine, it definitely needed addressed. But so did the whole damn defense.

It needed to be burned down and started over.
I'm not sure it needs to be torn down it can definitely get after the QB. It's missing 1 probably 2 ball hawks in the secondary and a ILB. It worked pretty well when Berry was healthy.
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I'm not sure it needs to be torn down it can definitely get after the QB. It's missing 1 probably 2 ball hawks in the secondary and a ILB. It worked pretty well when Berry was healthy.
I just don't think we'll see that again here, so they're gonna have to go look elsewhere.
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Mitchell was a good corner for a year. Infact if you bump old threads you will see S Taylor couldnt stop raving about the guy. He found talent in the secondary early on it aged needed to be replaced and the problem is the current GM replaced those aging players with other aging players.
Dorsey knew this defense needed new players and it didn’t work out. This defense is bad bc Dorsey nuked draft picks.

Kpassagnon and Russell were terrible picks in the top 100. Ask yourself what this defense would look like if those picks were used decent players?

Also ask yourself where this team would be right now if Marcus Peters and Kareem Hunt weren’t wasted picks on lunatics?

Calling Veach a shit GM for having no 1st rd pick to fix a horrible defense in little time doesn’t make sense. It’s even more asinine to absolve the previous general manager of 5 years from blame since he handed this mess over to the current general manager.
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Dorsey knew this defense needed new players and it didn’t work out. This defense is bad bc Dorsey nuked draft picks.

Kpassagnon and Russell were terrible picks in the top 100. Ask yourself what this defense would look like if those picks were used decent players?

Also ask yourself where this team would be right now if Marcus Peters and Kareem Hunt weren’t wasted picks on lunatics?

Calling Veach a shit GM for having no 1st rd pick to fix a horrible defense in little time doesn’t make sense. It’s even more asinine to absolve the previous general manager of 5 years from blame since he handed this mess over to the current general manager.
How would it not have made more sense to trade up for Josh Jackson? Or just take Justin Reid in your pick and keep the pick you traded?

My problem with what they did was they used their 1st pick to take an OLB when they're ok there yet nothing on secondary till 4th round when that thing was a dumpster fire.
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How would it not have made more sense to trade up for Josh Jackson? Or just take Justin Reid in your pick and keep the pick you traded?

My problem with what they did was they used their 1st pick to take an OLB when they're ok there yet nothing on secondary till 4th round when that thing was a dumpster fire.
The olb's they had coming back had just missed most of last season and had back surgery and the other apparently wasn't fully healed from knee surgery and is a prime cut candidate.

Plus you all have always said pass rushers are so important, so why not stack that position?
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My problem with what they did was they used their 1st pick to take an OLB when they're ok there yet nothing on secondary till 4th round when that thing was a dumpster fire.
We were not okay at OLB. Not by any means.

Dee Ford just had a season on IR bc of his back and nobody knew what he was going to do. Justin Houston didn’t look completely right and it was known that we needed someone to develop behind him.

There were holes everywhere on this defense. Literally.
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Dorsey knew this defense needed new players and it didn’t work out. This defense is bad bc Dorsey nuked draft picks.

Kpassagnon and Russell were terrible picks in the top 100. Ask yourself what this defense would look like if those picks were used decent players?

Also ask yourself where this team would be right now if Marcus Peters and Kareem Hunt weren’t wasted picks on lunatics?

Calling Veach a shit GM for having no 1st rd pick to fix a horrible defense in little time doesn’t make sense. It’s even more asinine to absolve the previous general manager of 5 years from blame since he handed this mess over to the current general manager.
Guys miss on picks it happens. Hunt and Peters are extremely talented players.

Enough with the Veach didnt have a first pick nonsense. He had plenty of cap space with nothing to show for. Jones, Kelce, Hill, etc weren't first round picks. You can find talent outside the first round.
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Guys miss on picks it happens. Hunt and Peters are extremely talented players.

Enough with the Veach didnt have a first pick nonsense. He had plenty of cap space with nothing to show for. Jones, Kelce, Hill, etc weren't first round picks. You can find talent outside the first round.
Veach did find talent outside of the first, though. Nnadi has been a pretty damn good pickup for a rookie mid-late 3rd rounder.
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Guys miss on picks it happens. Hunt and Peters are extremely talented players.

Enough with the Veach didnt have a first pick nonsense. He had plenty of cap space with nothing to show for. Jones, Kelce, Hill, etc weren't first round picks. You can find talent outside the first round.
Sure, they definitely weren't. But lets eval them after 1 year in the league.

Are they all pro's like they are now?
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Billay will ignore Dorsey’s 2016 draft disaster he failed miserably to retool the secondary with Eric Murray, KeiVarae Russell and DJ White.
Dorsey likes to get good value on low character guys. Sometimes that goes good and sometimes bad.

Like most GM's, he's good when he gets to pick high and it's tough when he doesnt'.
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