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Old 08-05-2019, 09:28 AM   #1
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When is CP going to turn "Dee Ford" into this ->
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Old 08-05-2019, 09:45 AM   #2
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The draft was top heavy then dropped off pretty quickly after about, pick 5?

I'm no Bosa fan, but he was pretty highly thought of, along with Williams and the dude from Kentucky.
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Old 08-05-2019, 09:48 AM   #3
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The Chiefs obviously weren't that high on any of those CB's otherwise they probably don't make the Clark deal.

Or they were just that high on Clark, which I'm thinking was the deal.
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Old 08-05-2019, 09:52 AM   #4
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This discussion can go on forever, but bottom line; if the Chiefs choosing Frank Clark over Dee Ford helps contribute to them winning a Super Bowl in the next couple years, then NO ONE will give a shit about the choice and the price paid.

That's really all this comes down to.
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Old 08-05-2019, 09:54 AM   #5
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This discussion can go on forever, but bottom line; if the Chiefs choosing Frank Clark over Dee Ford helps contribute to them winning a Super Bowl in the next couple years, then NO ONE will give a shit about the choice and the price paid.

That's really all this comes down to.
Yep.

I wouldn't have kept Ford either way.
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Old 08-05-2019, 09:54 AM   #6
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Part of this Clark deal is that multiple high picks that were supposed to be cornerstones, didn't work out and then the old cornerstones got shipped out, something had to be done.

After Ford wasn't what they wanted and Peters got shipped out of town with the fall offs of Houston and Berry, something had to be done.
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Old 08-05-2019, 09:59 AM   #7
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Part of this Clark deal is that multiple high picks that were supposed to be cornerstones, didn't work out and then the old cornerstones got shipped out, something had to be done.

After Ford wasn't what they wanted and Peters got shipped out of town with the fall offs of Houston and Berry, something had to be done.
The Peters thing was really killer. Just losing a player that productive at that spot.

It is what it is.
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Old 08-05-2019, 10:26 AM   #8
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Apparently a lot of the league viewed Thornhill as a first rounder and he's having a good camp. Chiefs are def high on him.

I'm kind of out on this Verdarame guy as well. He seems to maybe get some info sometimes, but he kinda puts out stuff that's already out there. I'm not sure.
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Old 08-05-2019, 10:54 AM   #9
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I don't know that he could have been a Peters type guy early, maybe a little better in coverage but no the turnover type obviously.

Looking at rookies from last years 2nd in terms of CB, Maybe a Josh Jackson type? Not great but decent?
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Old 08-05-2019, 10:56 AM   #10
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I don't know that he could have been a Peters type guy early, maybe a little better in coverage but no the turnover type obviously.

Looking at rookies from last years 2nd in terms of CB, Maybe a Josh Jackson type? Not great but decent?
He was so decent there was talk about him moving to safety.
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Old 08-05-2019, 10:59 AM   #11
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He was so decent there was talk about him moving to safety.
Awuzie was another 2nd rounder that was pretty solid early (when he wasn't hurt).
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Old 08-05-2019, 11:00 AM   #12
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T'redavious White was a late first rounder that was good early.

A lot would have depended on coaching (pretty much a big factor in any rookie having a good season no matter the position).
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Old 08-05-2019, 11:17 AM   #13
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Awuzie started 6 games his rookie year. What a HUGE impact!

White is literally the only guy you can give me and he was a 1st rounder. Point made.
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Old 08-05-2019, 11:24 AM   #14
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Awuzie started 6 games his rookie year. What a HUGE impact!

White is literally the only guy you can give me and he was a 1st rounder. Point made.
White was taken at 27 and Murphy at 33

I figure that’s more comparable than a corner taken late 2nd
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Old 08-05-2019, 11:32 AM   #15
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White was taken at 27 and Murphy at 33

I figure that’s more comparable than a corner taken late 2nd
But I never said it doesn’t happen. I said it doesn’t happen often and is unlikely. The chances are slim that Murphy turns out as good as White, let alone has a rookie season like he did.

And about the Nelson thing, if you’re going to talk about ceilings, I’m not going to disagree. That’s not what we’re talking about though. We’re talking about the immediate impact of a guy like Clark versus a rookie corner on a team that’s trying to win a SB this year, not next.
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