Chiefs Gronkowski mulling retirement

Hammock Parties · 02-07-2019, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

It's simple -- Gronk is the most dominant tight end I've ever seen.

He's not even close to as good as Gonzalez was.

He's Jeremy Shockey with a HOF coach and QB leading the way.

Red Dawg · 02-07-2019, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

He's not even close to as good as Gonzalez was.

He's Jeremy Shockey with a HOF coach and QB leading the way.

Let's not full on crazy. Gonzo maybe not but Shockey? Gronk is an all time great. Really is not a question. Fortunate where he played but he's a great player.

Hammock Parties · 02-08-2019, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg

Let's not full on crazy. Gonzo maybe not but Shockey? Gronk is an all time great. Really is not a question. Fortunate where he played but he's a great player.

Physically speaking they were/are extremely similar.

The only difference is who they played with and the environment they were placed in.

Tony Gonzalez is arguably the greatest tight end of all time.

Rob Gronkowski is the Priest Holmes of tight ends.

TipRoast · 02-08-2019, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Physically speaking they were/are extremely similar.

The only difference is who they played with and the environment they were placed in.

Tony Gonzalez is arguably the greatest tight end of all time.

Rob Gronkowski is the Priest Holmes of tight ends.

Pop quiz:

Stat Line	Games	Receptions	Yards	TDs
A	19	81	726	6
B	16	81	1163	12

Who is A, and who is B?

Stat Line A is the combined playoff statistics of Tony Gonzales and Antonio Gates.

Stat Line B is the playoff statistics of Rob Gronkowski.

And if you add in Priest Holmes playoff stats (total yards and TDs) to Stat Line A, you still don't get to Rob Gronkowski's numbers for yards and TDs.

Hammock Parties · 02-08-2019, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TipRoast

Pop quiz:

Stat Line	Games	Receptions	Yards	TDs
A	19	81	726	6
B	16	81	1163	12

Who is A, and who is B?

Stat Line A is the combined playoff statistics of Tony Gonzales and Antonio Gates.

Stat Line B is the playoff statistics of Rob Gronkowski.

And if you add in Priest Holmes playoff stats (total yards and TDs) to Stat Line A, you still don't get to Rob Gronkowski's numbers for yards and TDs.

Thanks for making my point for me.

The only difference is who they played with and the environment they were placed in.

TipRoast · 02-08-2019, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Thanks for making my point for me.

The only difference is who they played with and the environment they were placed in.

That's one way to look at it.

Another way is that some players compile impressive stats in the regular season, and then don't do much when the lights shine their brightest and the level of competition increases.

While other players rise to the occasion and show their true mettle.

Hammock Parties · 02-08-2019, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TipRoast

That's one way to look at it.

Another way is that some players compile impressive stats in the regular season, and then don't do much when the lights shine their brightest and the level of competition increases.

While other players rise to the occasion and show their true mettle.

By this logic every swinging dick who put on a Patriots helmet and got a ring is headed to the HOF.

Gronk is a good tight end in the right place at the right time.

He has never been as good as Gonzalez, and if he played 20 years ago like Gonzalez his numbers wouldn't be nearly as inflated.

Amnorix · 02-08-2019, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

He's not even close to as good as Gonzalez was.

He's Jeremy Shockey with a HOF coach and QB leading the way.

Clearly you don't watch much football or something. Shockey was pretty good, but he wasn't Gronk. Couldn't even hold his jock to be honest.

Gonzalez was a GREAT receiver, a mediocre/indifferent blocker most of the time, and was very healthy and played at an extraordinarily high level for a very long time.

But one game, full health, I'll take Gronk in a heartbeat. He's ALSO an elite blocker, which almost none of the other great pass-catching TEs of the last 20 or so years (Gonzalez, Graham, Gates) can say.

Yehoodi · 02-08-2019, 11:49 AM

Be interesting to see if Gronk decides to retire. He is a big help to the Pats but needs to stay healthy. He gets injured a lot, but for me that has part to do in the way he is tackled. Perhaps Gronk does not want to go through this again.

Be nice if the Pats and Gronk could strike deal where they limit his play to avoid injury and can be around later in the year.

Yehoodi · 02-08-2019, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

He's not even close to as good as Gonzalez was.

He's Jeremy Shockey with a HOF coach and QB leading the way.

When healthy, and folks not going low on Gronk or landing on his ankles, Gronk is one of the best TEs to play in the NFL. He not only is a great receiver as a TE but is a great blocker, something that even Gonzalez admitted that he is not great at blocking.

Gronk is part of the reason why the Pats have been so successful since they drafted him.

Even BB, who is normally quiet about things, lamented at not having Gronk in the playoffs, or in full health, earlier in this decade

Amnorix · 02-15-2019, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

He's not even close to as good as Gonzalez was.

He's Jeremy Shockey with a HOF coach and QB leading the way.

Saw this and thought of you, Mr. Worst-Talent-Evaluator there is. Stick to posting GIFs.

https://twitter.com/search?q=zoltan%20buday&src=typd

The highest single season @PFF grades by a TE since 2010:
1. Gronk (2011)
2. Gronk (2014)
3. Gronk (2015)
4. Gronk (2013)
5. Gronk (2012)
6. Gronk (2017)
t-7. Gronk (2016), Greg Olsen (2015) & Jason Witten (2010)
10. Jimmy Graham (2011)

Also note that Shockey didn't even make the 2000 All decade team, and there isn't exactly alot of doubt around who will be the first team all decade team's TE for the 2010s.

SuperBowl4 · 02-15-2019, 07:49 AM

I drafted RG in my fantasy league last year because TK was already taken. I traded RG in week ten because he is not what he used to be.

Amnorix · 02-15-2019, 07:54 AM

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I drafted RG in my fantasy league last year because TK was already taken. I traded RG in week ten because he is not what he used to be.

He sure wasn't in 2018, that's for sure, and maybe never will be again. Late in the season it came out that he had back and achilles issues, which likely affected his play, but obviously backs can (and have been for him) be a recurring issue and he's taking a hell of a beating in his career.

He may retire, or he may be just a shell of what he used to be for another season or two, or he may be more like the old Gronk that he flashed in the Super Bowl. Only time will tell.

Yehoodi · 02-15-2019, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

He sure wasn't in 2018, that's for sure, and maybe never will be again. Late in the season it came out that he had back and achilles issues, which likely affected his play, but obviously backs can (and have been for him) be a recurring issue and he's taking a hell of a beating in his career.

He may retire, or he may be just a shell of what he used to be for another season or two, or he may be more like the old Gronk that he flashed in the Super Bowl. Only time will tell.

I would love to have him back to play in a reduce roll to avoid the wear and tear on his body but at the same time have him on the roster when we need him throughout the season.

Yehoodi · 02-15-2019, 08:00 AM

Be interesting to see if Gronk does retire. Hate to see him leave but understand his points about long term health and the day to day grind of the NFL season.

Maybe if the Pats could find a reduced roll for Gronk to save on wear and tear, he would still be a valuable asset to the team. Gronk does get hit a lot and players go for his legs to tackle him as most have a hard time tackling him straight up.

He is due a base salary of 9 million this year.

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Yehoodi Starter Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Massachusetts Casino cash: $10000400	Be interesting to see if Gronk decides to retire. He is a big help to the Pats but needs to stay healthy. He gets injured a lot, but for me that has part to do in the way he is tackled. Perhaps Gronk does not want to go through this again. Be nice if the Pats and Gronk could strike deal where they limit his play to avoid injury and can be around later in the year.
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Yehoodi Starter Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Massachusetts Casino cash: $10000400	Be interesting to see if Gronk does retire. Hate to see him leave but understand his points about long term health and the day to day grind of the NFL season. Maybe if the Pats could find a reduced roll for Gronk to save on wear and tear, he would still be a valuable asset to the team. Gronk does get hit a lot and players go for his legs to tackle him as most have a hard time tackling him straight up. He is due a base salary of 9 million this year.
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