Jeffery Simmons DL Mississippi State

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Dude, you know he stood over top of a girl and wailed on her ass while she was on the ground?

He's still a top 15 pick because Mississippi State landed a top 20 player for the first time in a long time and didn't want to throw him off the team. They should have. He wasn't 'vetted' - if the dude was as much as a 4 star instead of the best player in the state, they'd have launched his ass out of there.

They let him stay in the program because he was good - the end.

As I stated if it was all bullshit, and his character was truly questionable, he'd be in the 5th round and down flyer in the NFL evaluation process.

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[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

As I stated if it was all bullshit, and his character was truly questionable, he'd be in the 5th round and down flyer in the NFL evaluation process.

What do you think I'm calling 'bullshit'?

I don't care WHAT the woman said. Take it at face value if you want - still don't care. The dude stood over top of a woman who was ALREADY outgunned by his sister and proceeded to punch her in the head when she was literally face down with her hands over her head. She had given up and he threw 3-4 punches in there for good measure.

That IS bullshit.

His character is questionable - full stop. He punched a woman laying on the ground who wasn't fighting back. That's a questionable character any way you want to slice it.

And you're wrong regarding his draft statues - had MSU done with him what OSU did with Hill then his draft status would've plummeted. But had Hill stayed at OSU and played as well as Simmons did at MSU, he'd have been a high pick as well. Hill was rightfully held accountable (and to be fair, what he did was far worse), but Simmons should have been as well.

His draft status is because MSU didn't hold him accountable for his actions and performed well in the SEC. His performance and pedigree is why he's a 1st round pick but that wouldn't have mattered if MSU would've stepped up when they should have. I truly couldn't give one **** less about 'honor student' status for D1 athletes; that stuff is made up from whole cloth. As for the fact that he managed to go 3 years without beating another defenseless woman - WOOPITYDOO!!!

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

What do you think I'm calling 'bullshit'?

I don't care WHAT the woman said. Take it at face value if you want - still don't care. The dude stood over top of a woman who was ALREADY outgunned by his sister and proceeded to punch her in the head when she was literally face down with her hands over her head. She had given up and he threw 3-4 punches in there for good measure.

That IS bullshit.

His character is questionable - full stop. He punched a woman laying on the ground who wasn't fighting back. That's a questionable character any way you want to slice it.

And you're wrong regarding his draft statues - had MSU done with him what OSU did with Hill then his draft status would've plummeted. But had Hill stayed at OSU and played as well as Simmons did at MSU, he'd have been a high pick as well. Hill was rightfully held accountable (and to be fair, what he did was far worse), but Simmons should have been as well.

His draft status is because MSU didn't hold him accountable for his actions and performed well in the SEC. His performance and pedigree is why he's a 1st round pick but that wouldn't have mattered if MSU would've stepped up when they should have. I truly couldn't give one **** less about 'honor student' status for D1 athletes; that stuff is made up from whole cloth. As for the fact that he managed to go 3 years without beating another defenseless woman - WOOPITYDOO!!!

An 18 year old defending his sister, after a woman talked horribly about his sister's deceased child.

I forgive him on this one, he never had issue before. no drug infractions, or insubordination before this incident.

If he's truly habitual, he'd be a lower round pick prospect

He's an honor student, and has been on the straight and narrow ever since.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

An 18 year old defending his sister, after a woman talked horribly about his sister's deceased child.

I forgive him on this one, he never had issue before. no drug infractions, or insubordination before this incident.

If he's truly habitual, he'd be a lower round pick prospect

He's an honor student, and has been on the straight and narrow ever since.

"Defending his sister" /= standing over and pummeling a woman after the fight is over.

That's just being a violent shithead.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

"Defending his sister" /= standing over and pummeling a woman after the fight is over.

That's just being a violent shithead.

totally ignoring that his off-field conduct has been spotless afterwards.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

totally ignoring that his off-field conduct has been spotless afterwards.

He won't be able to play significant snaps in 2019. This team's best window is RIGHT NOW. Why bother?

[Chargem]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

He won't be able to play significant snaps in 2019. This team's best window is RIGHT NOW. Why bother?

Sort of depends what pick you have to spend on him and what the Chiefs can get done in free agency. To me, the window is open for years with Mahomes under center so you don't want to mortgage everything for this year, you want sustainability.

If he falls to the end of the 3rd not taking him is insane. If you don't have a gaping hole that you can't fill with FA, using a 2nd on him is reasonable imo.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

He won't be able to play significant snaps in 2019. This team's best window is RIGHT NOW. Why bother?

Anybody that isn't drafted in the first 3 rounds isn't likely to play significant snaps in '19 anyway. And if he's not playing and is just stuck on the IR, you'll have 6 minutes of rabble and then he'll be out of sight, out of mind.

I'm not opposed to spending a late 2nd on him (maybe; depends on the board), but I'd definitely use a 3rd.

I just think hand-waiving what he did as some youthful indiscretion is pretty ridiculous.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

He won't be able to play significant snaps in 2019. This team's best window is RIGHT NOW. Why bother?

I'm speaking of pre-injury, just depending how bad it is then going into the realm of believing your medical staff when he's recovered and dealer's choice when to take him.

As stated before it won't matter much because Veach is going to obsess over a prospect of positional value in the 1st round and trade up. IMO, it'll be at the passrusher or LB position.