Jeffery Simmons DL Mississippi State

[Coogs]

#12 overall by Kiper. Projected to go #7 to the Jags.

Tore his ACL this weekend.

Do you take a chance on a guy who has top "10" talent who may not play in his first year?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Anybody that isn't drafted in the first 3 rounds isn't likely to play significant snaps in '19 anyway. And if he's not playing and is just stuck on the IR, you'll have 6 minutes of rabble and then he'll be out of sight, out of mind.

I'm not opposed to spending a late 2nd on him (maybe; depends on the board), but I'd definitely use a 3rd.

I just think hand-waiving what he did as some youthful indiscretion is pretty ridiculous.

Sorry but with as close as this team is, I'm not spending a pick on a guy I KNOW can't play. It's one thing to gamble on late round picks and them not playing. It's another thing altogether to spend draft capital on people that are already injured, especially when you're ready to win right now.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Sorry but with as close as this team is, I'm not spending a pick on a guy I KNOW can't play. It's one thing to gamble on late round picks and them not playing. It's another thing altogether to spend draft capital on people that are already injured, especially when you're ready to win right now.

Do you know that, though?

6-7 months is probably the low side of the recovery on an ACL. Let's go 9 months on the high side. That makes him ready to play by November. And frankly, it makes him ready with some rust but also without some of the bangs/bumps that come with 8-10 weeks of NFL play. Even if you have some work-in time, you could realistically and easily have him ready to go at full tilt by December, no?

You don't even have to IR him to begin with; he'd be a PUP candidate for the first 6 weeks.

Yeah, this team is close. And because of that, you have to assume that we don't need an immediate boost to make the playoffs. What we need is a difference maker when we're in them.

Couldn't Simmons be that guy this year? If not, why not?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Do you know that, though?

6-7 months is probably the low side of the recovery on an ACL. Let's go 9 months on the high side. That makes him ready to play by November. And frankly, it makes him ready with some rust but also without some of the bangs/bumps that come with 8-10 weeks of NFL play. Even if you have some work-in time, you could realistically and easily have him ready to go at full tilt by December, no?

You don't even have to IR him to begin with; he'd be a PUP candidate for the first 6 weeks.

Yeah, this team is close. And because of that, you have to assume that we don't need an immediate boost to make the playoffs. What we need is a difference maker when we're in them.

Couldn't Simmons be that guy this year? If not, why not?

With the way injuries have gone for this team, I'm just not doing it.

Dee Ford had a knee injury that kept him out of the combine and stuff. He ended up barely playing in his rookie season, despite being available for every game.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

He won't be able to play significant snaps in 2019. This team's best window is RIGHT NOW. Why bother?

I'm speaking of pre-injury, just depending how bad it is then going into the realm of believing your medical staff when he's recovered and dealer's choice when to take him.

As stated before it won't matter much because Veach is going to obsess over a prospect of positional value in the 1st round and trade up. IMO, it'll be at the passrusher or LB position.

[kccrow]

Tough decision. If it was just the ACL, I'd take him in the 3rd. That domestic shit bothers me though, but **** it's a league that truthfully only gives a **** skin deep. No problem burning a 5th.

[BryanBusby]

Lets not get ridiculous about this. This guy, even with woman beater tag and a torn ACL, is still probably going in the 2nd round.

[Chargem]

There's too many moving parts at the moment, but I could really talk myself into taking him at the end of the 2nd. He was debateably a top 10 pick before the ACL/DA issues and the Chiefs aren't going to have an actual top 10 pick for years.

If you can fill a few spots of D with FA for a year, I would take him in the 2nd. If you trade Ford for a high 2nd round pick, I'd take him at the end of the 2nd.

[BryanBusby]

I'm not convinced the whole woman battery thing really is much of an issue deep down. Ultimately teams just don't give a shit.

He can still contribute a little but as a rookie.with the ACL issue. I'm feeling top half of Round 2 is where he's going.

[Halfcan]

I would pass on this hurt pos.

We are favorite for the SuperBowl- we need guys that can step in from day one.

[Chargem]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

I would pass on this hurt pos.

We are favorite for the SuperBowl- we need guys that can step in from day one.

How many game 1 starters are you expecting from this years draft?

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by Chargem

How many game 1 starters are you expecting from this years draft?

I think you should at least expect significant snaps from your 1st and two 2nd rounders- but who knows, the Chiefs have used the second round for huge reach picks lately. Maybe they will reach on a guy for the future again?

I think they should draft, LB, Safety and CB with those picks. We need upgrades at those positions This year.

[kcbubb]

The chiefs should trade up to the top of the second and take Simmons. Simmons is a top talent and the domestic abuse incident is old. D-Line is about God given talent and this guy is a top 10-15 talent. Trade up and get him at the top of the 2nd and hope he is ready for a playoff run. The history of the article below is interesting.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.acm...al-opportunity

[Chargem]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

The chiefs should trade up to the top of the second and take Simmons. Simmons is a top talent and the domestic abuse incident is old. D-Line is about God given talent and this guy is a top 10-15 talent. Trade up and get him at the top of the 2nd and hope he is ready for a playoff run. The history of the article below is interesting.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.acm...al-opportunity

If you're going to trade up to the top of the 2nd why not just take him in the 1st?

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Chargem

If you're going to trade up to the top of the 2nd why not just take him in the 1st?

because he'll be there in the 3rd.

Laugh if you like; get back to me after day three of the draft.

[Chargem]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

because he'll be there in the 3rd.

Laugh if you like; get back to me after day three of the draft.

I agree with you he has a decent chance of making it to the 3rd. Depending how FA goes, I would be okay with taking him as with one of the late 2nds.

I was more asking the poster why they would trade up (probably requiring both 2nd round picks) to get to the top of the 2nd when you already have a late 1st round pick. Just didn't make sense to me to do that.