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UPDATE: Ford to 49ers for a 2020 2nd round pick. Official.
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03-13-2019, 08:46 AM | #811 | |
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Those are good observations on the evolution of his rushing ability. He’s still a one-dimensional player whose skills are situational. Yes, the scheme might hide some or cover up for some of his weakness against the run by positioning that LB “over” him, but good teams are going to scheme to run right at him, and moving him to DE is only going to exacerbate that. IMO. Not the type of talent to bet on long-term or build around, and if you’re not doing that, it’s ok to move on from him. On the return, I hoped for more... but the fact he was so good as a pass-rusher last year but had so little trade interest just shows what the rest of the league thinks of hill (some combination of one-trick pony and major injury risk). If Veach’s plan is to nab one of Sweat or Ferrell or Omenihu, etc. and add a bit of pass rush ability while improving base run D, and add a cheap situational pass rusher, I’m on board with that. I think that makes the defense as a whole better. Especially if the plan includes using some of the freed-up dollars to extend a key piece or trade for a CB or sign a few more pieces. Lot of paths to improving the D now.
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03-13-2019, 08:49 AM | #812 |
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Ford isnt a good fit for Spags scheme. I get the trade. I'm just not confident in Speaks and that other dude but obviously I'm not there in practice. I only know what ive seen during the games.
I'm sure Veach and Spags have a plan just hope it works out. Better draft well because other than Chris Jones right now our dline looks like shit to me. |
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03-13-2019, 08:50 AM | #813 | |
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Similarly in Cleveland, he was set up flush with picks and cash. I don't know if you listen to Haberman and Middlekauff but John is pretty tight with Veach and company, so this may come off a little scorned earth, but his word was that Dorsey was to egotistical and that's why he was let go. I don't know. I don't really have a lot yet to base Veach off of. He's signed some guys I like, but he's paid market for them, which as you said, isn't exactly hard. This is a big offseason. So far, seems a little rocky. |
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03-13-2019, 08:51 AM | #814 |
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I agree with DJ's post up there...Dorsey is a top 5 GM in the league Veach...we'll see but he isn't as good as Dorsey.
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03-13-2019, 08:52 AM | #815 | |
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Now you're in a position where you're right in the middle of a rookie qb contract of a guy that's going to absolutely break you off on his contract and to get a pass rush, it's gonna have to come from....who exactly? |
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He has drafted 2 franchise QB's in back to back years...got Tyreek Hill, stole OBJ, that list goes on and on. Dorsey is a baller. |
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03-13-2019, 08:54 AM | #818 | |
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I'm not gonna give him much for ODell, apparently as the Giants had better offers on the table supposedly and went with that. Kind of a headscratcher but taking advantage of a dumb GM is a skill and Dorsey did well. |
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03-13-2019, 08:55 AM | #819 | |
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Expectations are different, that's life. The Chiefs need Veach to be better because they're not rebuilding, they're trying to win a SB. |
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Dude deserves a massive amount of credit. |
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03-13-2019, 08:55 AM | #821 | |
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03-13-2019, 08:56 AM | #823 |
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But he's not one dimensional.
Again, he's a good pursuit defender against the run. Too many people overlook backside contain on run plays because they're not obvious, but Ford was outstanding at that. He was able to use his natural instincts to get upfield to his advantage since those run plays often left him unblocked. Then he could use his speed to close on the backside and either take down the ballcarrier if he hesitated or shut off cutback lanes. For runs the other way, he was absolutely an asset. And lets not forget that he often demonstrated solid coverage skills the season he was asked to fill in for Houston and play that role; dude won us a game covering a RB out of the backfield. But when he was in Hali's role, he was simply pinning his ears and getting upfield. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. He demonstrated the ability to operate in coverage, he simply wasn't asked to do it very often (because, duh, he's an elite pass-rusher). He has one stand-out weakness: people running right at him. That doesn't make him one dimensional. That means he's not a perfect player; he isn't Peak Houston. I simply don't think that's a deal-breaker when you have 11 guys on a defense and Ford has become a willing player, if not a guy who has the kind of lower body strength to simply stand up an OT. I think the issue is the injury risk and I reiterate - that's completely fair. Back injuries are terrifying. But man, sometimes you gotta spin the wheel and take your chances. We're certainly doing that with Matthieu. For a marginal return in a year where you appeared to be going for a title, it seems like Ford was a worthwhile risk. I'll grudingly accept this deal if Veach uses the money to keep some of the big-time guys I think we need to hold onto. I REALLY would like to see him get a deal done with Fuller before his value takes another step forward as I expect it to (Jones and Hill are probably at/close to peak already). That would demonstrate a solid long-term vision. But if the !@#$ing guy goes out there and starts dumping draft capital for short-term veteran fixes and/or signing 2nd tier FAs like Ansah or McCourty, I'm gonna be pissed. And his track record suggests that the latter is more likely than the former.
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03-13-2019, 08:57 AM | #824 |
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Oh so Dorsey’s the one that gets the break here when he had the #1 overall pick while Veach didn’t have a pick until the middle of th 2nd?
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But add better players to that scheme and.....you'll get better results, no? I'm kind of over the whole "scheme fit" stuff. Fit your ****ing scheme to the players. If you can't do that, what the hell do you do? |
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