Who wins a Super Bowl first?

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Chiefs, I think and hope. Dorsey is a ****ing genius, though.

He passed on Bradley Chubb for a frail corner that is already having injury problems.

Genius

[Buckweath]

Originally Posted by RunKC

He passed on Bradley Chubb for a frail corner that is already having injury problems.

Genius

Dorsey is one of the very best GMs in the league. I have long said that.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Buckweath

Dorsey is one of the very best GMs in the league. I have long said that.

Let’s see what happens in a couple years when he doesn’t have a ton of draft picks and an infinite amount of money to spend.

Sashi Brown gave Dorsey all of those resources.

[Iconic]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Let’s see what happens in a couple years when he doesn’t have a ton of draft picks and an infinite amount of money to spend.

Sashi Brown gave Dorsey all of those resources.

I love when people, especially media/Browns fans, ignore this. Dorsey has been enjoying the fruits of Sashi's labor. He systematically broke that roster down and set them in place, but got kicked out right before the pay out began.

They did him extremely dirty looking back.

[Best22]

Originally Posted by Iconic

I love when people, especially media/Browns fans, ignore this. Dorsey has been enjoying the fruits of Sashi's labor. He systematically broke that roster down and set them in place, but got kicked out right before the pay out began.

They did him extremely dirty looking back.

Dorsey didn’t do anything earth shattering

1. Get good players
2. Draft the best QB available
3. Keep getting good players, add OBJ (this was robbery)

Credit to finding the right guys, but personally I’m more baffled at how the Browns can be bottom feeders for 20 years than I am that a GM turned them into playoff contenders. Even the Lions didn’t stay bad for long. They only STUNK from 2001-2010. That’s half of the Browns period of suckitude

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by Best22

Dorsey didn’t do anything earth shattering

1. Get good players
2. Draft the best QB available
3. Keep getting good players, add OBJ (this was robbery)

What?

He helped turn around the 2-14 Chiefs to an 11-5 team in one season. That's an NFL record.

He turned the Browns around from 0-16 to 7-8-1. They lost 5 games by 3 or less points points..three of those in OT...and another by 4 points. They had one tie. If just half of those swing the other way...they are 11-5 and in the play-offs in his first year.

Dorsey's the shit...Chiefs ****ed up.

Did I mention he drafted BOTH Mayfield and Mahomes...and Kelce, Hill, Hunt, Peters, C. Jones...and just landed OBJ?

[Best22]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

What?

He helped turn around the 2-14 Chiefs to an 11-5 team in one season. That's an NFL record.

He turned the Browns around from 0-16 to 7-8-1. They lost 5 games by 3 or less points points..three of those in OT...and another by 4 points. They had one tie. If just half of those swing the other way...they are 11-5 and in the play-offs in his first year.

Dorsey's the shit...Chiefs ****ed up.

Did I mention he drafted BOTH Mayfield and Mahomes...and Kelce, Hill, Hunt, Peters, C. Jones...and just landed OBJ?

He’s a top GM. But that’s more to do with other GMs being boneheaded idiots

How could a team that needs a QB, meet with Mahomes, and then pass on him? Idiots

I knew Hunt was gonna be a stud just by watching film. Dorsey is good, but he separates himself mainly because other GMs think it’s smart to pass up on guys like Mahomes.

As for KC messing up, both GMs look pretty good. Cleveland gets hype because they had a good young QB+cheap roster, a luxury Dorsey nor Veach never had in KC

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

What?

He helped turn around the 2-14 Chiefs to an 11-5 team in one season. That's an NFL record.

Andy Reid had far more to do with that than you realize. Andy has 3 losing seasons as a HC since 1999.

He turned the Browns around from 0-16 to 7-8-1. They lost 5 games by 3 or less points points..three of those in OT...and another by 4 points. They had one tie. If just half of those swing the other way...they are 11-5 and in the play-offs in his first year.

Dorsey was lucky a QB like Mayfield was available. Of course he looks good compared to horrific Cleveland historically enept trash. You think Andy wouldn’t turn them around?

Dorsey's the shit...Chiefs ****ed up.

Dorsey did nothing but run this franchise down every year after he got here. Things got worse and worse the longer he was here.

Did I mention he drafted BOTH Mayfield and Mahomes...and Kelce, Hill, Hunt, Peters, C. Jones...and just landed OBJ?

It’s been confirmed that Veach found Mahomes. Do you really think Dorsey found ALL of those players?

You don’t think the guy that drafted and developed DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, Donovan McNabb, Brian Westbrook, LeSean McCoy, Jason Kelce and Brent Celek in Philly without Dorsey had no part in drafting our offensive studs?

Did you not read that Andy watched Kareem Hunt in his office on his tv in season when he was forming gameplans?
Do you not realize that Andy not only drafted and coached Travis Kelce’s brother, but his own goddamn son was at Temple in the same conference as as Kelce and played against them?

Do you just ignore facts and blow Dorsey continuously? I mean shit dude why do you think 90% of our best players drafted in the Reid era were an offense? Do you use your brain and think critically?

[frozenchief]

Originally Posted by Buckweath

Dorsey is one of the very best GMs in the league. I have long said that.

Dorsey has an eye for talent, no doubt. And he’s certainly drafted and traded for talent in Cleveland. But Dorsey’s cap management was atrocious. Veach has generally negotiated better contracts than Dorsey. Watkins, for example, is voidable after 2 years with minimal dead money.

Will Dorsey improve in Cleveland? Or will his cap management cost him in a few years? Too early to tell.