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Old 06-06-2019, 04:41 AM  
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What is Trevor Lawrence worth?
I think this kid is the next "generational" QB along with Mahomes....albeit different playing styles. I really hope he gets drafted to the NFC.

His highlight reel...in which he's a freshman, is pretty fantastic. To play like that, a year removed from high school,...yikes.

What is he worth in draft capital?...hypothetically, if the #1 (drafting) team just chose a top QB the year before?

Two entire drafts? 3-4 first round picks?

What would Mahomes go for...if teams knew he was a 50 TD QB?

A generational QB can define your franchise....for like 15 years.
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Old 06-06-2019, 12:22 PM   #76
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Very accurate, smart quarterback. Confident, hard worker, supposedly good character. Poised.

Extremely rare

“But he’s too skinny!” Lol. Dude is already fast, by the time he gets to the NFL he’ll be pretty big. The man will be a monster. And the Broncos and Chargers won’t get him. Their rosters are way too talented to drop to the #1 pick in 2021. And believe me, nobody’s trading out of 1.1

And if the Raiders get him...well what, are you guys afraid of a good old AFC West shootout? I’m not. Because we’ve got the baddest mofo in the valley on our side
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Old 06-06-2019, 12:24 PM   #77
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Without a blue-chip QB, your franchise is essentially doomed. You might get lucky for a year with a top defense but that isn't sustainable.

So if you're a GM of a meddling franchise...Tampa, Titans, Bengals, Raiders, Bills, Broncos ..or a franchise with an aging star...Steelers, Chargers, Patriots, Saints. What is a "sure thing" prospect like Lawrence worth (initially cheap labor) for the next 10-15 years? 4 first round picks? Would Brady have been worth that? Rodgers? Is Mahomes?

If you hit on him...he could generate over a billion dollars for that franchise/city over the course of his career. Do you think the NFL Draft comes to KC without Mahomes?

I think there is going to be an unprecedented amount of interest to land him...it's just the nature of the current QB-driven NFL. The have and the have nots.

He's a white, blonde, 6-6 QB phenom...
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Old 06-06-2019, 12:26 PM   #78
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And literally nobody in this thread said he wasn’t the better prospect.

Seriously, do some of you lack even elementary school level reading comprehension?

I was referring to this...is pretty ambiguous...

"At this point I think Lawrence is a better prospect than those two were at the same point in their collegiate career.
Long way to go though"[/QUOTE]

He said "he thinks but there's a long ways to go" .Well IMOP it's pretty obvious and already cut and dry. Lawrence is light years ahead of where Watson was at this point. Hell you could put them on the same team RIGHT NOW and Lawrence would have more success. Dude has a rocket-arm and is a prototypical NFL QB. Watson's an amazing athlete that tries to play QB. I wasn't taking any shots at anyone personally so I don't see why all the animosity is necessary.
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Old 06-06-2019, 12:27 PM   #79
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Chiefs get Miami’s 1st overall pick, next years 2nd and 2021s 2nd + Devonte Parker

Dolphins get Mahomes.
NO WAY
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Andrew Luck is the best QB prospect I’ve ever seen. Aaaand he’s been absolutely dog shit in the playoffs.

Saying that somebody is a great QB prospect, but questioning how the will deal with the pressure and adversity that will eventually come in the NFL is completely reasonable, especially when there are no examples of them dealing with it at even the college level.

I’m not saying Lawrence won’t deal with pressure/adversity well. I’m simply saying I have no clue because I haven’t seen it yet, and anybody pretending like they know is full of shit.
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Old 06-06-2019, 12:42 PM   #82
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We already got our guy....I am hoping he turns out to be worth less than Vicky Lawrence for whoever grabs him.
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Old 06-06-2019, 12:49 PM   #83
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I’m not saying Lawrence won’t deal with pressure/adversity well. I’m simply saying I have no clue because I haven’t seen it yet, and anybody pretending like they know is full of shit.
I'd say winning a national title as a freshman is dealing with intense pressure...it's the most pressure you can face at the college level. To be as good as he is...and being so young isn't an everyday occurrence.
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Old 06-06-2019, 12:51 PM   #84
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Dude, you still don’t get it. I said he’s a great QB prospect. He should and will be the #1 pick in 2021. Why do you continue to act like I’m saying he’s not good or he’s going to fail? How many times do I have to say this before it gets through your head?

And no, most cfb QB’s deal with more pressure and adversity with less talent than he did last year. This isn’t even debatable.

Look at Mahomes vs. LSU. That game told me more about Mahomes than any of the rest. It was by far his most impressive despite it being a blowout loss and not his best game statistically by any means.

I was fully on board with him despite not seeing that game until after we drafted him. I didn’t watch any of his sophomore tape so I had no idea it existed. If I watched it before the draft, I would’ve been pounding the table that much harder.
I know you know he's good, I just think you're asking way too much from a can't miss qb prospect. Luck and Eli didn't have a ton of pressure games. Luck didn't play in a loaded pac 10. College doesn't allow you to mold a perfect qb. The reason Eli and luck became can't miss is because regardless of w/l record or strength of schedule, you could barely find mental or physical holes in their game. The fact that we're debating experience and situation and not his actual play speaks volumes.

By the way, eli was arguably not even the best qb in his class. That doesn't matter. He was rightfully the can't miss prospect of his draft and even if Lawrence doesn't meet your pressure criteria, assuming he doesn't regress too much he'll be can't miss too. The same way we all rightfully slapped that label on Andrew luck very early in his college career.
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Chiefs get Miami’s 1st overall pick, next years 2nd and 2021s 2nd + Devonte Parker

Dolphins get Mahomes.
Solid...I like it.

Seriously, I bet the Raiders would have given up all five of their (2019/2020) first rounders for Mahomes...and it would have been a smart move. Your franchise is set for the next decade...
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I'd say winning a national title as a freshman is dealing with intense pressure...it's the most pressure you can face at the college level. To be as good as he is...and being so young isn't an everyday occurrence.
I’m talking about on tape “pressure”, not the “pressure” you’re trying to give him credit for.
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Without a blue-chip QB, your franchise is essentially doomed. You might get lucky for a year with a top defense but that isn't sustainable.

So if you're a GM of a meddling franchise...Tampa, Titans, Bengals, Raiders, Bills, Broncos ..or a franchise with an aging star...Steelers, Chargers, Patriots, Saints. What is a "sure thing" prospect like Lawrence worth (initially cheap labor) for the next 10-15 years? 4 first round picks? Would Brady have been worth that? Rodgers? Is Mahomes?

If you hit on him...he could generate over a billion dollars for that franchise/city over the course of his career. Do you think the NFL Draft comes to KC without Mahomes?

I think there is going to be an unprecedented amount of interest to land him...it's just the nature of the current QB-driven NFL. The have and the have nots.

He's a white, blonde, 6-6 QB phenom...
Middling
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Solid...I like it.

Seriously, I bet the Raiders would have given up all five of their (2019/2020) first rounders for Mahomes...and it would have been a smart move. Your franchise is set for the next decade...
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Shouldn't you be banning me from threads?...you're slippin.
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You think Carr + their draft is going to have greater long term results than building a franchise around Mahomes?

Surprised you're not already a GM....

It was a hypothetical...to illustrate the importance/value of a real franchise QB.

Look what landing Manning did for the Donks...and the Colts. He made average players very wealthy...and kept bad coaches/GMs employed.

I said "solid" as joke...he's obviously trolling about Miami. Too bad my use of "seriously" was lost on you.
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