Should I be happy Kietzman was fired? Yes, it's me.

[jwhit]

I have mixed emotions about KK getting canned. It should've happened years ago. But I'm not convinced this incident deserved a firing.

Scale of 1 to 10, how pleased should I be?

For 20 years, KK got away with all sorts of underhanded bulls*t. Took two decades for karma to catch him.

Go Chiefs!

Whitlock

[FAX]

Originally Posted by TEX

Yep. Deal is, the small time fools chose the negative route, when they literally have the biggest story in the NFL in their own backyard in Mahomes. They have / had access to inside stuff on a daily basis that would have been picked up nationally, putting them on the map that way.

Now, Im not saying only cover the good stuff, but when you cover the bad, do your research and do it profesionally. Just think where they would be today had they done that.

Good point ...

All they had to do with the Tyreek stuff was to verify and cite their sources, clarify the details, report what they knew, and omit the insinuations from the headlines and tweets. That's it. And that's not hard.

It's pretty clear to me that the Star and Ch5 saw dollar signs when early hints of the story emerged. Blinded by the shiny object, they reacted like monkeys and started banging out words. They had a kid with an injury, a guy with a history, they thought he was down, and they started kicking. They envisioned themselves as media heroes. That KK guy did the same thing. It's a frenzy where "first" is best and "accurate" is way down the list.

Editors know that most people don't read beyond the headline and the first paragraph of an article. That's why teevee news stories are brief and twitter is successful. People consume information like drive-through burgers. They just want the high point and hold the details. It's easy for an editor to leave the most salient facts until paragraph 10 just as long as they can say it was written and published. Otherwise, the headline (or tweet) just needs to "Pop". If that means a misleading (or ultimately false) allusion, so be it.

However, there's an occasional problem. If the subject matter at hand (in this case, the Chiefs) is important enough to your audience that they will actually investigate and read and dig and understand, some (not all, obviously) people are going to recognize what's happening and call you out your crap.

Some folks will now feel remorse for what happened to poor, ol' KK and what may happen to other reporters in the KC market. But they shouldn't. A cubicle at a paper, a microphone, or access to the Chiefs or the courthouse doesn't make you holy, sanctimonious, or special ... it makes you responsible (or, at least, it's supposed to). When you don't take that responsibility seriously, you don't deserve ... and you don't belong in ... the job.

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[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

Well...the poster that said he wanted consistency...shit has changed.

A change in the team’s fortunes justifies inconsistency on the topic of wether or not it is acceptable to drag family business into discussions of team issues?


Some of you people are just plain loony.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

They only cared because it was such a bizarre situation...not because it specifically involved the Chiefs franchise.

This has been a pretty damn bizarre situation too

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by Raiderhader

A change in the team’s fortunes justifies inconsistency on the topic of wether or not it is acceptable to drag family business into discussions of team issues?


Some of you people are just plain loony.

It was never OK to bring Reid’s family into things, but the moment Chiefs fans are in right now - as CP abundantly proves - is that the fans only want fawning homerism. When the team is in the toilet they want everyone fired and they want the media to help with that, but when the fans are optimistic, they only want to hear homerism.

Homerism makes optimistic people happy, they don’t want to hear about off the field problems or weaknesses the team may have, and if they do they want to hear a homeristic voice saying it’s all a non issue and everything is fine.

Officer Barbrady is going to be way more popular on 810 than a voice that says “Hey we love our Chiefs, but there’s a problem here.” Or “Yes we’re having a great season, but the defense is too terrible to beat an elite QB in the playoffs, or win a Super Bowl” or “Hey, this off the field situation might become a problem and it’s bigger than football”.

Kietzman, already unpopular for being a general douchebag, threw himself into the wood chipper of pissing off everyone in all camps at once - the team, the homers, casual fans - and even people who have clear eyes about off the field problems wouldn’t defend him because he went out of the bounds of basic decency.

It still wouldn’t have been ok if this were last season and it was Bob Sutton’s dead son that a radio personality were making fun of, but it would have been cheered and repeated as a joke by homers because Sutton was an unpopular figure and homers hated him. Not so with Reid.

Keitzman for some reason, probably just stupidity, threw himself to the wolves and left no ground even for his apologists to stand on.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I think this is a great idea. I would also request an essay on why KK was wrong and how the media should deal only in facts, not fiction.

A brilliant addition to be sure! See? So many good things to write about without going negative.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Don't kick women with security cameras around and don't have child abuse allegations when you are a convicted domestic abuser and you probably won't have bad media coverage.

"I'm gonna snark-snark-snark, cuz I got the itch!
I'm gonna snark-snark-snark, like a little bitch!
I'm gonna shove my head up my butt-hole just for YOUUUUUUU!

-CHEETAH!( the musical, starring CC as "Head Up Ass-fan" )

[T-post Tom]

Originally Posted by Eleazar

... but it would have been cheered and repeated as a joke by homers because Sutton was an unpopular figure and homers hated him. Not so with Reid. ...

I consider myself a homer of sorts, but would never make a joke about a parent and the death of their (adult) child under any circumstances. I would like to think that most "homers" would agree with me. Maybe there's a tiny subset of homers (and some non-homers) that would do that. But unless your definition is completely different than mine: that was a mischaracterization of the word.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by T-post Tom

I consider myself a homer of sorts, but would never make a joke about a parent and the death of their (adult) child under any circumstances. I would like to think that most "homers" would agree with me. Maybe there's a tiny subset of homers (and some non-homers) that would do that. But unless your definition is completely different than mine: that was a mischaracterization of the word.

I didn’t say “all”. But there’s no question that this comment would have been glossed over or even chuckled at if it were Bob Sutton, by many of the same people who lost their minds since it was about Reid.

[T-post Tom]

Originally Posted by Eleazar

..glossed over or even chuckled at

Originally Posted by Eleazar

...cheered and repeated as a joke by homers

Well, you're moving in the right direction.

[CoMoChief]

I had completely forgotten about Reid's son and his drug OD until this thing w/ KK came about.

Nobody really ever gets over a death of a child, no matter the age. I can't imagine what Reid had to go through. Dick move by KK to bring that up, and you can say karma probably caught up w/ the guy...though he probably didn't deserve to be fired, but it is what it is...the Chiefs own the sports media in this town. If they simply said, hey we're not doing any biz with you/810, no Mahomes, no interviews, nothing...unless this man is gone....well then guess what's probably gonna happen.

I never listened to KK/810..so I don't know much about him other than he's been around a long time and a lot of people dislike the guy.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by Eleazar

It was never OK to bring Reid’s family into things, but the moment Chiefs fans are in right now - as CP abundantly proves - is that the fans only want fawning homerism. When the team is in the toilet they want everyone fired and they want the media to help with that, but when the fans are optimistic, they only want to hear homerism.

Homerism makes optimistic people happy, they don’t want to hear about off the field problems or weaknesses the team may have, and if they do they want to hear a homeristic voice saying it’s all a non issue and everything is fine.

Officer Barbrady is going to be way more popular on 810 than a voice that says “Hey we love our Chiefs, but there’s a problem here.” Or “Yes we’re having a great season, but the defense is too terrible to beat an elite QB in the playoffs, or win a Super Bowl” or “Hey, this off the field situation might become a problem and it’s bigger than football”.

Kietzman, already unpopular for being a general douchebag, threw himself into the wood chipper of pissing off everyone in all camps at once - the team, the homers, casual fans - and even people who have clear eyes about off the field problems wouldn’t defend him because he went out of the bounds of basic decency.

It still wouldn’t have been ok if this were last season and it was Bob Sutton’s dead son that a radio personality were making fun of, but it would have been cheered and repeated as a joke by homers because Sutton was an unpopular figure and homers hated him. Not so with Reid.

Keitzman for some reason, probably just stupidity, threw himself to the wolves and left no ground even for his apologists to stand on.

It's undoubtedly correct that, had this been an attack on Sutton rather than Wally, the backlash would have been much less severe.

It's the same phenomenon that allows the local journos to run Tyreek through their Media Malice Machine with very little relative culpability. It's just a fact that some celebrities are more immune than others. It would be very difficult for an editor to approve and run with a story on Mahomes (assuming he had a closet skeleton or two) ... and come to think of it, I've seen very few stories dealing with Pat Mahomes' past drug and family problems, for example.

Still, KK hit the damn super-trifecta of stupidity in this case. He was able to fold into a single comment about Tyreek's situation (which is still far from clear and has never been fully and accurately reported) the failures of Wally as a parent, dead sons and daughters, recovered sons and daughters, the Chiefs' history with problematic players, addiction, suicide, and broken families. And all in one fantastical statement of utter ignorance and holier-than-thou value pimping.

It's actually pretty darn impressive when you think about it.

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[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

ANYBODY or ANYTHING that gets in the way of, or supports things that make the Chiefs run for a Super Bowl more difficult, should be dealt with harshly.

Morons like you think that a guy on the radio has any impact on Chiefs wins and loses. Of course, you also think the booth annoucers and their "bias" has an impact on the game.
I didn't like KK, but the idea that he has any impact on the team's success is

[FAX]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

I had completely forgotten about Reid's son and his drug OD until this thing w/ KK came about.

Nobody really ever gets over a death of a child, no matter the age. I can't imagine what Reid had to go through. Dick move by KK to bring that up, and you can say karma probably caught up w/ the guy...though he probably didn't deserve to be fired, but it is what it is...the Chiefs own the sports media in this town. If they simply said, hey we're not doing any biz with you/810, no Mahomes, no interviews, nothing...unless this man is gone....well then guess what's probably gonna happen.

I never listened to KK/810..so I don't know much about him other than he's been around a long time and a lot of people dislike the guy.

I have very little doubt (actually, none at all) that the Chiefs played a significant role in KK's "departure". All it would have taken was a single email, text, or phone call. And of course, 810's attention was probably captured when they saw that Mahomes "liked" Louis Riddick's tweet referring to KK as a chode.

But I can report to you that several (one might accurately say "many") of the local 810 advertisers were very upset about this situation, Mr. CoMoChief. Remember, their star is also hitched to the Chiefs' wagon and many had lengthy contracts with 810.

It turns out that some of these companies employ people who have experienced the horrors that addiction and alcoholism can cause to a family. Imagine that. KK's bloviations were more hurtful to 810's future business plans than may be immediately obvious.

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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Morons like you think that a guy on the radio has any impact on Chiefs wins and loses. Of course, you also think the booth annoucers and their "bias" has an impact on the game.
I didn't like KK, but the idea that he has any impact on the team's success is

You're right, KK's opinions have no bearing on wins or losses. but right now, the chiefs are a very good team and happen to be a very popular team on the rise within the NFL. And after years of obscurity, it does not sit well with the fan base to have a bunch of goobers like KK and Florio trying to tear down something that has been masterfully built up.

At the very least, it's a major nuisance. You know, like having to listen to some moron ramble on about "rape culture" or "internalized oppression". You know, complete fabrications that damage genuine discourse? I'm sure you can understand.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Morons like you think that a guy on the radio has any impact on Chiefs wins and loses. Of course, you also think the booth annoucers and their "bias" has an impact on the game.
I didn't like KK, but the idea that he has any impact on the team's success is

Well he's fired for saying things that were rude and inappropriate about a Chiefs organization staff member, that's how things should be. That is sacrilege...
And what's more important than the Chiefs winning a Super Bowl?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Well he's fired for saying things that were rude and inappropriate about a Chiefs organization staff member, that's how things should be. That is sacrilege...
And what's more important than the Chiefs winning a Super Bowl?

Nada. When do we start eating babies?