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Old 08-05-2019, 07:55 AM   #1
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Old 08-05-2019, 08:14 AM   #2
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Old 08-05-2019, 08:14 AM   #3
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Cost?
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Old 08-05-2019, 08:20 AM   #4
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Too much, but whatever. They view him as the 2nd best edge rusher in the NFL. Hope they're right.
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Old 08-05-2019, 08:23 AM   #5
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Too much, but whatever. They view him as the 2nd best edge rusher in the NFL. Hope they're right.
Yeah, pretty much where i'm at with it.

It's a big swing, but if they're right, it could end up being awesome.
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Old 08-05-2019, 08:23 AM   #6
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Old 08-05-2019, 08:27 AM   #7
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**** Dee Ford.
Frank Clark cost a first rounder and a monster contract.

That thread you started yesterday about the salary cap issues? Yeah, losing a cheap first round contract and replacing it with a monster contract are a reason there could be an issue.

If Clark is an unreal player, it doesn't matter, but it doesnt' reduce the cost.
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Frank Clark cost a first rounder and a monster contract.

That thread you started yesterday about the salary cap issues? Yeah, losing a cheap first round contract and replacing it with a monster contract are a reason there could be an issue.

If Clark is an unreal player, it doesn't matter, but it doesnt' reduce the cost.
Yeah. I would've rather had Dee Ford at his current contract and the top rookie CB on the Chiefs board at 29. Ah well.
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Yeah. I would've rather had Dee Ford at his current contract and the top rookie CB on the Chiefs board at 29. Ah well.
Maybe. I don't know.

If they feel Ford is about to really break down, they were right to pull the chute.

My biggest issue is that they just can't keep operating with no first round picks and then have their 2nd rounders be dog shit.

Kpass and Speaks need to do something pretty quickly.
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Yeah. I would've rather had Dee Ford at his current contract and the top rookie CB on the Chiefs board at 29. Ah well.
Awful.

Dee Ford is injured garbage.
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Old 08-05-2019, 08:50 AM   #11
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Cost?

The salary cost between the two players is fairly small. Ford’s contract is structured to be easier to get away from, but I’m not convinced he would taken the same deal from KC.

The draft capital cost is not negligible, but they did manage to upgrade their 2019 #3, and will still have the 49ers #2 for 2020.

Clark is going to add a big edge/attitude to this squad, which it needed. The Chiefs will still have a second round pick as a result of the two moves and it will in all likelihood be the higher of the two.

End of the day, the ledger is:

+ Frank Clark
+ 8 spots in 2019 3rd round
+ 20 spots in 2020 second round

- Dee Ford
- 2-3 million AAV, flexibility to cut player at no cost
- 2019 #30
- 2019 #6x
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The salary cost between the two players is fairly small. Ford’s contract is structured to be easier to get away from, but I’m not convinced he would taken the same deal from KC.

The draft capital cost is not negligible, but they did manage to upgrade their 2019 #3, and will still have the 49ers #2 for 2020.

Clark is going to add a big edge/attitude to this squad, which it needed. The Chiefs will still have a second round pick as a result of the two moves and it will in all likelihood be the higher of the two.
Ford got 20.5 gtd.

That's a bit different than Clark.

I doubt he'd have taken that deal here, but it's not that small
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Ford got 20.5 gtd.



That's a bit different than Clark.



I doubt he'd have taken that deal here, but it's not that small

In terms of yearly AAV is what I was referencing.

The structures work out more differently than. I was thinking. I had 5/95 in my head for ford’s potential overall payday when it’s 5/85.

Clark, as structured, actually saves them $8 million against the cap this season.

He’s 6-6.5 more the next two years, before the window to cut him opens.

They both can be walked away from after their age 29 seasons.
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In terms of yearly AAV is what I was referencing.

The structures work out more differently than. I was thinking. I had 5/95 in my head for ford’s potential overall payday when it’s 5/85.

Clark, as structured, actually saves them $8 million against the cap this season.

He’s 6-6.5 more the next two years, before the window to cut him opens.

They both can be walked away from after their age 29 seasons.
https://overthecap.com/player/frank-clark/3911/

Not really getting away from Clark until the age 30 year it looks like.
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The salary cost between the two players is fairly small. Ford’s contract is structured to be easier to get away from, but I’m not convinced he would taken the same deal from KC.

The draft capital cost is not negligible, but they did manage to upgrade their 2019 #3, and will still have the 49ers #2 for 2020.

Clark is going to add a big edge/attitude to this squad, which it needed. The Chiefs will still have a second round pick as a result of the two moves and it will in all likelihood be the higher of the two.

End of the day, the ledger is:

+ Frank Clark
+ 8 spots in 2019 3rd round
+ 20 spots in 2020 second round

- Dee Ford
- 2-3 million AAV, flexibility to cut player at no cost
- 2019 #30
- 2019 #6x
The money you paid Clark has to factor in the value you missed out on by giving away the first as well.

It was a big package for Clark. It needs to work.
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