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**BigRedChief** · 12:57 PM

Cardinals announce 25-man Opening Day roster for the 2019 season.

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2019 Opening Day Line up

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Won the Central Division. Won the NLDS.

NLDS Playoff roster

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NLDS Playoff Game 1 starting lineup

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NLCS Game One Starting lineup

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**BigRedChief** · 10-10-2019, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

Who the **** thought we’d be hosting the NLCS?

Shit happens in the playoffs. We know that the best. 2006 and 2011 we should not have won those World Series. But, we did. The team with the most talent and played better all season doesnt mean you will win the WS.

We were on the other end of that equation multiple times too. Our 2004 and 2005 teams were the best in baseball most of the year. 2015 our stupid manager doesn't pitch to Big Papi, we win that WS.

**BigRedChief** · 10-10-2019, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

This post demands the Carp gif. Where is the Carpenter gif?

**BigRedChief** · 10-10-2019, 05:51 PM

What do you guys think of giving Mikolas the game 1 start over Waino? When I first heard I didnt like it but now I’ve heard the reasoning......to set up Waino for a game 6 start at home on full rest and Flaherty in game 7.

Have to agree now. What say you?

Marcellus · 10-10-2019, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

What do you guys think of giving Mikolas the game 1 start over Waino? When I first heard I didnt like it but now I’ve heard the reasoning......to set up Waino for a game 6 start at home on full rest and Flaherty in game 7.

Have to agree now. What say you?

Makes sense to me.

DJ's left nut · 10-10-2019, 06:25 PM

The logic is sound but I'd gave given gm1 to Hudson so he gets the home start as well.

My preference was

Hudson
Waino

Flaherty
Mikolas
Hudson

Wainwright
Flaherty

But I cant complain too loudly. They decided getting 2 Mikolas starts instead of 2 Hudson starts was more important than getting a Hudson home start. I disagree but it ain't my job...

VAChief · 10-10-2019, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The logic is sound but I'd gave given gm1 to Hudson so he gets the home start as well.

My preference was

Hudson
Waino

Flaherty
Mikolas
Hudson

Wainwright
Flaherty

But I cant complain too loudly. They decided getting 2 Mikolas starts instead of 2 Hudson starts was more important than getting a Hudson home start. I disagree but it ain't my job...

Hudson probably is a more useful option out of the bullpen of the starters not named Jack as well.

**BigRedChief** · 10-10-2019, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by VAChief

Hudson probably is a more useful option out of the bullpen of the starters not named Jack as well.

yeah, assuming Mikolas or Waino flake out early, having Hudson ready to give you 4-5 innings is also a bonus setting it up this way.

**BigRedChief** · 10-10-2019, 10:45 PM

Does the front office decide in game moves all the time?

From the Athletic article:

In fact, as the Cardinals were pouring it on, some members of the front office considered getting word to the dugout that perhaps they could take advantage of the early onslaught to preserve Flaherty for the first game of the NLCS. They could have, say, quickly turned it over to Miles Mikolas or brought him in after giving Flaherty an inning of work, which would have been the equivalent of a bullpen session and wouldn’t have compromised their ace for Game 1.

“There were some people who mentioned it upstairs, but I quickly put that to bed, saying, ‘Win the game,’” Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak told The Athletic. “You play for today. I think when you start getting cute and trying to manipulate things, it gets dangerous.”

VAChief · 10-11-2019, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Does the front office decide in game moves all the time?

I doubt it, or Carp wouldn’t have seen the bench this year.

O.city · 10-11-2019, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The logic is sound but I'd gave given gm1 to Hudson so he gets the home start as well.

My preference was

Hudson
Waino

Flaherty
Mikolas
Hudson

Wainwright
Flaherty

But I cant complain too loudly. They decided getting 2 Mikolas starts instead of 2 Hudson starts was more important than getting a Hudson home start. I disagree but it ain't my job...

Theyre only gonna need four games anyway so i wouldn't worry about the last 3.

Cards will make this quick.

VAChief · 10-11-2019, 11:47 AM

Matt Snyder can be a dick at times. He is stuck on the Flaherty decision as if it was a no-brainer to pull him early. First I don't care if you throw three innings...that doesn't mean it is the same as a bullpen session as he seems to equate. Nothing equates to the stress of pitching in a game (even in a blow out) except pitching in a game. Then going on 3 days rest after that is not that hard of a concept to think you might want to avoid. This is not to say that you can't have a different opinion, but it isn't like this is a big gamble. This is the second article I have seen where he sees this as a huge issue to overcome.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/n...cal-opposites/

2011, we had burned Carpenter in game 5 of NLDS...split the first two and then had Carpenter for game 3 (albeit at home). Flaherty is our best pitcher on the road right now.

If we can split or even better win the first two it is like we won the toss and get the ball first in the second half of a football game. You are going to need at least 2 of the other 3 starters to have a good series regardless of where you pitch Jack.

George Liquor · 10-11-2019, 12:12 PM

Tickets look pretty cheap tonight. Found 3rd base dugout box seats for $124 each on StubHub. If I wasn't planning a trip to Europe next summer I'd head out.

Pasta Little Brioni · 10-11-2019, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BDj23

Tickets look pretty cheap tonight. Found 3rd base dugout box seats for $124 each on StubHub. If I wasn't planning a trip to Europe next summer I'd head out.

They will drop more closer to gametime...cold and people are pussing out

**BigRedChief** · 10-11-2019, 04:24 PM

Anyone worried about Sanchez and his change up befuddling our lineup? We were the worst team in MLB against the changeup.

VAChief · 10-11-2019, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BDj23

Tickets look pretty cheap tonight. Found 3rd base dugout box seats for $124 each on StubHub. If I wasn't planning a trip to Europe next summer I'd head out.

I checked out what tickets in DC are going for in game 3 and it is considerably more. Even so if they were to split this weekend or especially if they win both, I might consider ducking out early from work and driving the 2 hours to catch Flaherty’s game.

01-10-2019, 03:23 AM
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-561038 VARSITY	**The Official 2019 STL Cardinals Thread Cardinals announce 25-man Opening Day roster for the 2019 season. Spoiler! The Cardinals today announced their 25-man Opening Day roster that includes four first-time Cardinals and 13 players that were developed within their organization. PITCHERS (12): 60 – John Brebbia-RHP, 22 – Jack Flaherty-RHP, 53 – John Gant- RHP, 49 – Jordan Hicks-RHP, 43 – Dakota Hudson- RHP, 55 – Dominic Leone-RHP, 59 – Mike Mayers- RHP, 21 – Andrew Miller-LHP, 39 – Miles Mikolas-RHP, 29 – Alex Reyes, RHP, 52 – Michael Wacha-RHP, 50 – Adam Wainwright- RHP; CATCHERS (2): 4 -Yadier Molina, 32 – Matt Wieters; INFIELDERS (6): 13 - Matt Carpenter, 12 – Paul DeJong, 46 – Paul Goldschmidt, 34 – Yario Muñoz, 33 – Drew Robinson, 16 – Kolten Wong; OUTFIELDERS (5): 46 – Harrison Bader, 25 - Dexter Fowler, 38 – José Martínez, 41 – Tyler O'Neill, 23 – Marcell Ozuna; DISABLED LIST (5): 27 - Brett Cecil (10-day, left hand Carpal Tunnel syndrome), 44 – Luke Gregerson (10-day, right shoulder impingement), 18 – Carlos Martínez (right shoulder cuff strain), 3 - Jedd Gyorko (10-day, right calf strain), 67 - Justin Williams (10-day, right hand 2nd metacarpal fracture). 2019 Opening Day Line up Spoiler! Starting lineup Matt Carpenter 3B Paul Goldschmidt 1B Paul DeJong SS Ozuna LF Yadier Molina C Dexter Fowler RF Kolten Wong 2B Harrison Bader CF Won the Central Division. Won the NLDS. NLDS Playoff roster Spoiler! Pitchers (12): Miles Mikolas, Jack Flaherty, Adam Wainwright, Dakota Hudson, Genesis Cabrera, Tyler Webb, Andrew Miller, John Brebbia, Daniel Ponce de Leon, Ryan Helsley, Giovanny Gallegos, Carlos Martinez. Catchers (2): Yadier Molina, Matt Wieters. Infielders (6): Paul Goldschmidt, Kolten Wong, Paul DeJong, Matt Carpenter, Tommy Edman, Yairo Munoz. Outfielders (5): Marcell Ozuna, Harrison Bader, Dexter Fowler, Jose Martinez, Randy Arozarena. NLDS Playoff Game 1 starting lineup Spoiler! 1. Dexter Fowler, CF 2. Tommy Edman, 3B 3. Paul Goldschmidt, 1B 4. Marcell Ozuna, LF 5. Yadier Molina, C 6. Paul DeJong, SS 7. Kolten Wong, 2B 8. Harrison Bader, CF 9. Miles Mikolas, P NLCS Game One Starting lineup Spoiler!** 1. Dexter Fowler, CF 2. Kolten Wong, 2B 3. Paul Goldschmidt, 1B 4. Marcell Ozuna, LF 5. Yadier Molina, C 6. Matt Carpenter 3B 7.Tommy Edmond RF 8. Paul DeJong, SS 9. Miles Mikolas P Last edited by BigRedChief; 10-11-2019 at 12:57 PM..
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10-10-2019, 05:51 PM	#2583
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-561038 VARSITY	What do you guys think of giving Mikolas the game 1 start over Waino? When I first heard I didnt like it but now I’ve heard the reasoning......to set up Waino for a game 6 start at home on full rest and Flaherty in game 7. Have to agree now. What say you? __________________ Mahomes is not a game manager. Release the Kraken.
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10-10-2019, 06:25 PM	#2585
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-630901	The logic is sound but I'd gave given gm1 to Hudson so he gets the home start as well. My preference was Hudson Waino Flaherty Mikolas Hudson Wainwright Flaherty But I cant complain too loudly. They decided getting 2 Mikolas starts instead of 2 Hudson starts was more important than getting a Hudson home start. I disagree but it ain't my job... __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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10-10-2019, 10:45 PM	#2588
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-561038 VARSITY	Does the front office decide in game moves all the time? From the Athletic article: In fact, as the Cardinals were pouring it on, some members of the front office considered getting word to the dugout that perhaps they could take advantage of the early onslaught to preserve Flaherty for the first game of the NLCS. They could have, say, quickly turned it over to Miles Mikolas or brought him in after giving Flaherty an inning of work, which would have been the equivalent of a bullpen session and wouldn’t have compromised their ace for Game 1. “There were some people who mentioned it upstairs, but I quickly put that to bed, saying, ‘Win the game,’” Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak told The Athletic. “You play for today. I think when you start getting cute and trying to manipulate things, it gets dangerous.” __________________ Mahomes is not a game manager. Release the Kraken.
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10-11-2019, 11:47 AM	#2591
VAChief Comfortably Numb Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Virginia Casino cash: $2264657	Matt Snyder can be a dick at times. He is stuck on the Flaherty decision as if it was a no-brainer to pull him early. First I don't care if you throw three innings...that doesn't mean it is the same as a bullpen session as he seems to equate. Nothing equates to the stress of pitching in a game (even in a blow out) except pitching in a game. Then going on 3 days rest after that is not that hard of a concept to think you might want to avoid. This is not to say that you can't have a different opinion, but it isn't like this is a big gamble. This is the second article I have seen where he sees this as a huge issue to overcome. https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/n...cal-opposites/ 2011, we had burned Carpenter in game 5 of NLDS...split the first two and then had Carpenter for game 3 (albeit at home). Flaherty is our best pitcher on the road right now. If we can split or even better win the first two it is like we won the toss and get the ball first in the second half of a football game. You are going to need at least 2 of the other 3 starters to have a good series regardless of where you pitch Jack.
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10-11-2019, 12:12 PM	#2592
George Liquor Forklift Certified Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: House of the Rising Sun Casino cash: $-730150	Tickets look pretty cheap tonight. Found 3rd base dugout box seats for $124 each on StubHub. If I wasn't planning a trip to Europe next summer I'd head out.
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10-11-2019, 04:24 PM	#2594
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-561038 VARSITY	Anyone worried about Sanchez and his change up befuddling our lineup? We were the worst team in MLB against the changeup. __________________ Mahomes is not a game manager. Release the Kraken.
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