WE NEED A CULTURE CHANGE!!

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

I made this thread after we lost to the titans last season and tbh much of what I said remains true today. Our offense has been amazing but the defense has relied on splash plays over these last few years and still has many problems. Brady put up 13 points against the Rams but his defense allowed 3 points and won him a ring. In his time in the league he's had a top ten defense year after year...the time his defense couldn't save him what happened? NICK FOLES happened. Aaron Rodgers has had bad defenses most of his career and it's hurt him in the end. Imo Veach needs to focus hard on the defense aswell as the line. The way the Raiders tore up our D twice was an eye opener and the Bucs simply followed that playbook. Can't defend the run, can't get sacks, can't defend tight ends and our corners give up penalties.. it's simply not good enough.

So what do you suggest we do on defense?

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

So what do you suggest we do on defense?

Get rid of average talent like Sorensen, Ward, Kpass, Pannel, Okafor etc and really focus on making this defense a top ten unit against both run and pass. QB's like Mahomes usually win championships when you give them a decent defense.

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[TomBarndtsTwin]

The defense didn’t play their best, but they were not the problem. The B.S. officiating was. They were on the rough end of several bad calls and they let it get to them and didn’t respond well. You don’t gut the entire unit because of one bad game. They are a still a solid D overall. Could they use a few upgrades (LBer, another pass rusher)? Yeah. But overall it’s a solid group.

The real problem was the patchwork O-Line (we need more depth, at least better depth) and Andy’s coaching. Some really terrible decisions by him. Maybe the Brit thing really was throwing him off his game? I don’t know. But something wasn’t right out there.

Yes, the officiating was one-sided and went down in TB’s favor, but that is not what ultimately cost them the game.

It certainly didn’t help, though.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

The defense didn’t play their best, but they were not the problem. The B.S. officiating was. They were on the rough end of several bad calls and they let it get to them and didn’t respond well. You don’t gut the entire unit because of one bad game. They are a still a solid D overall. Could they use a few upgrades (LBer, another pass rusher)? Yeah. But overall it’s a solid group.

The real problem was the patchwork O-Line (we need more depth, at least better depth) and Andy’s coaching. Some really terrible decisions by him. Maybe the Brit thing really was throwing him off his game? I don’t know. But something wasn’t right out there.

Yes, the officiating was one-sided and went down in TB’s favor, but that is not what ultimately cost them the game.

It certainly didn’t help, though.

I want most of our picks and attention on the offense. More weapons,better OL.

Our defense is fine when it is complimentary to incredible offense.

We have a generational QB in his prime. The ultimate weapon.

In the Super Bowl that weapon never got to fire because:


OL couldn't give him time

Weapons other than Hill/Kelce couldn't get open fast.

On defense I would like to add another pass-rusher and a 3 down linebacker. But ONLY when the value jumps out on the board. Otherwise keep stacking our strength.

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

The defense didn’t play their best, but they were not the problem. The B.S. officiating was. They were on the rough end of several bad calls and they let it get to them and didn’t respond well. You don’t gut the entire unit because of one bad game. They are a still a solid D overall. Could they use a few upgrades (LBer, another pass rusher)? Yeah. But overall it’s a solid group.

The real problem was the patchwork O-Line (we need more depth, at least better depth) and Andy’s coaching. Some really terrible decisions by him. Maybe the Brit thing really was throwing him off his game? I don’t know. But something wasn’t right out there.

Yes, the officiating was one-sided and went down in TB’s favor, but that is not what ultimately cost them the game.

It certainly didn’t help, though.

No-one is saying we should "gut" the defense...but the fact is we need more quality on that side of the ball. For two years we've been poor against the run and tight ends and when that's the case play action becomes problematic. Too many times this defense undone their good work by letting up soft td's down the stretch to make games closer and that was never a good habit to have.

[CapsLockKey]

The defense was completely overhauled two years ago. Very few guys left from the Sutton defense. Room for improvement sure, but there's a night and day difference between what the defense looked like when they lost the AFC championship game. Need to add a quality edge rusher and maybe a linebacker, but otherwise the focus needs to be on the offensive line.

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by CapsLockKey

The defense was completely overhauled two years ago. Very few guys left from the Sutton defense. Room for improvement sure, but there's a night and day difference between what the defense looked like when they lost the AFC championship game. Need to add a quality edge rusher and maybe a linebacker, but otherwise the focus needs to be on the offensive line.

What about corners? Too many average guys out there and that's a problem.

[Lilmrp117]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

What about corners? Too many average guys out there and that's a problem.

Corners are above average when refs not flagging them for breathing on someone. Sneed looks like he is special and Breeland and ward are solid number 2 cbs. Fenton is solid above average depth.

Only thing in the secondary that needs upgrading is sorenson.

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Originally Posted by Lilmrp117

Corners are above average when refs not flagging them for breathing on someone. Sneed looks like he is special and Breeland and ward are solid number 2 cbs. Fenton is solid above average depth.

Only thing in the secondary that needs upgrading is sorenson.

Breeland and Ward both FAs

[Lilmrp117]

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

Breeland and Ward both FAs

Ward is restricted. We can tender him at the 2nd round pick level and it will only cost a couple million - I think a little over 3 - if nobody makes him an offer. I think we should bring back at least one of ward or Breeland.

[GloryDayz]

We had an opt-out and a doc-in-the-box-out. That really hurt us. What they did should not be forgotten. And not in a gracious way.

I'm NOT saying that would have gotten us over the hump, but it hurt a LOT.