Poop Have we reached critical mass with Reiter and/or Wylie? - Page 3

DJ's left nut · 12-02-2019, 10:07 AM

Because those guys were getting mauled. There were a half dozen plays yesterday that simply died at the snap because Reiter and Wylie were immediately pushed into the backfield.

It isn't just about losing a snap, it's about how they're losing theirs (and how quickly). The best you can hope from either of them, especially in the run game, is a draw.

Wisniewski has looked good out there. At the very least, he seems stout at the point of attack. Don't we have to give the guy a look there? As the weather turns and the playoffs arrive, we're gonna HAVE to be able to convert some of these short yardage situations without these long-developing crossers from Hill or the inside screens that teams are largely prepared for now.

I just can't handle watching those two guys get abused anymore. I can handle LDT's mediocre play because at least he's not getting beat immediately and badly. He's not blowing guys off the ball, but he's generally holding his own. But Reiter and Wylie are playing poorly enough that they're smothering some of these plays in the cradle. It's just completely unacceptable.

Pitt Gorilla · 12-02-2019, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

I really believe that Wiley wouldn't have gotten his starting job back if Rankin hadn't gone on IR. But since that happened, we're kinda stuck there. Wisneski has been practicing at center and was studying the all 22 on the sideline last night. It appears that they are about to make that move..

Agreed. Rankin was an improvement. At this point, I don't know how much more dumpster diving we can do.

Marcellus · 12-02-2019, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

Put Erving at G. Put Wisnewski at C. Make good with Allen.

I don't think changing 3 of 5 OL with 4 games left in the season would be smart. Especially since one of them isn't even on the roster.

Wiz should be starting at RG though.

Marcellus · 12-02-2019, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

Put Erving at G. Put Wisnewski at C. Make good with Allen.

I don't think changing 3 of 5 OL with 4 games left in the season would be smart. Especially since one of them isn't even on the roster.

Wiz should be starting at LG though.

Pitt Gorilla · 12-02-2019, 01:18 PM

Allen really wouldn't be an improvement, either. At this point, the improvement just about has to come from within. Rankin looked really solid. I'd hope that Allegretti could do something similar down the road.

On a somewhat related note, anyone have access to PFF player grades? I'd love to know how NFL centers compare this season.

Dunerdr · 12-02-2019, 01:23 PM

I really believed we were approaching a point where rankin started at LG and wis would end up at c, now were patchworking.

ChiefaRoo · 12-02-2019, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

It's early but this guy has been talked about in the 1st round where we pick.

Tyler Biadasz C Wisconsin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u97rk3UbBA

No no no. Stud Linebacker who can do it all please.

OKchiefs · 12-02-2019, 02:32 PM

Hmm, maybe taking an OL or 2 early in the draft would have been better than taking some loser fat **** like Breeland Speaks.

OKchiefs · 12-02-2019, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

They need some big maulers inside. LDT and Wylie aren't that. LDT needs to go do his DR thing I guess.

I'm also not sure why we insist on this type of run blocking. Just zone block everything and be done iwht it.

It's been a weakness during Reid's entire tenure and he refused to change the scheme either due to stubbornness or ignorance. Andy Heck needs to be gone yesterday.

Imagine Mahomes behind a power blocking behemoth of a line. The light in the pants OL they prefer should theoretically be better in pass pro, but that's not even the case. Mahomes is athletic and can avoid the rush. Change the scheme to a power blocking scheme with some stout mother ****ers. Get a run game that can turn Mahomes into an assassin from play action passes. But it'll never happen with Reid. We'll sign some middling free agent or two and draft a fatty or two in the 5-6 round range. Rinse and repeat.

OKchiefs · 12-02-2019, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I would not mind drafting a top center with our 1st round pick.

Doesn't even need to be a 1st. Just take a guy in the 2-3 range. They just can't keep waiting until the end of the draft to address the position like they have.

**BossChief** · 12-02-2019, 02:54 PM

Our best OL is probably

LT Fisher
LG Erving
C Wisnewski
RG Wylie
RT Schwartz

oldman · 12-02-2019, 02:57 PM

LDT does just fine at RG when he only has to pick up his guy. It's far too often he has to contend with Reiter's guy.
I've watched a bit more of college ball this year and a couple guards have impressed me, Bredson from Michigan and Kindley from Georgia. But we do have to think about bringing a quality tackle on board. Mitch and Fish aren't getting any younger.
Once we have the AFCW locked up, I'd like to see what we have in some of our backups (PMII out of the game, of course). It's time to fish or cut bait with some of our OL.

DJ's left nut · 12-02-2019, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by oldman

LDT does just fine at RG when he only has to pick up his guy. It's far too often he has to contend with Reiter's guy.
I've watched a bit more of college ball this year and a couple guards have impressed me, Bredson from Michigan and Kindley from Georgia. But we do have to think about bringing a quality tackle on board. Mitch and Fish aren't getting any younger.
Once we have the AFCW locked up, I'd like to see what we have in some of our backups (PMII out of the game, of course). It's time to fish or cut bait with some of our OL.

That's actually a damn interesting point.

LDT was hurt for most of the time he'd have played alongside Morse last year, right? And he was actually looking very good in the first few games before his injury (when Morse was alongside him, IIRC).

Maybe that's a big part of it. I hadn't considered it, but it's possible that Reiter is having a negative impact on LDT.

I really think we need to get Wisniewski in there as quickly as possible. We have to know if he can provide an upgrade. If he can't, there's little harm done in trying. It's not like he's going to expose Mahomes any more than Reiter already has.

Pitt Gorilla · 12-02-2019, 03:22 PM

I'm curious why Veach thought he could let Morse walk without finding an adequate replacement. That makes absolutely no sense, unless they were seriously counting on Allegretti.

O.city · 12-02-2019, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

I'm curious why Veach thought he could let Morse walk without finding an adequate replacement. That makes absolutely no sense, unless they were seriously counting on Allegretti.

Reiter played quite a bit last year, I'm guessing they were comfortable with that.

I don't have a huge problem letting Morse walk. The concussion issue and the amount of money he got, it was the right choice.

The issue was not replacing him with something better than Reiter. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.

ToxSocks · 12-02-2019, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Reiter played quite a bit last year, I'm guessing they were comfortable with that.

I don't have a huge problem letting Morse walk. The concussion issue and the amount of money he got, it was the right choice.

The issue was not replacing him with something better than Reiter. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.

Reiter looked promising last year imo. At the time, most of us were fine with Reiter taking over.

12-02-2019, 10:07 AM
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-820901	Have we reached critical mass with Reiter and/or Wylie? Because those guys were getting mauled. There were a half dozen plays yesterday that simply died at the snap because Reiter and Wylie were immediately pushed into the backfield. It isn't just about losing a snap, it's about how they're losing theirs (and how quickly). The best you can hope from either of them, especially in the run game, is a draw. Wisniewski has looked good out there. At the very least, he seems stout at the point of attack. Don't we have to give the guy a look there? As the weather turns and the playoffs arrive, we're gonna HAVE to be able to convert some of these short yardage situations without these long-developing crossers from Hill or the inside screens that teams are largely prepared for now. I just can't handle watching those two guys get abused anymore. I can handle LDT's mediocre play because at least he's not getting beat immediately and badly. He's not blowing guys off the ball, but he's generally holding his own. But Reiter and Wylie are playing poorly enough that they're smothering some of these plays in the cradle. It's just completely unacceptable.
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oldman Curmudgeon Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North by Northwest Casino cash: $5836784	LDT does just fine at RG when he only has to pick up his guy. It's far too often he has to contend with Reiter's guy. I've watched a bit more of college ball this year and a couple guards have impressed me, Bredson from Michigan and Kindley from Georgia. But we do have to think about bringing a quality tackle on board. Mitch and Fish aren't getting any younger. Once we have the AFCW locked up, I'd like to see what we have in some of our backups (PMII out of the game, of course). It's time to fish or cut bait with some of our OL.
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12-02-2019, 03:22 PM	#43
Pitt Gorilla Banned! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: NOT Columbia, MO 65201 Casino cash: $-109806	I'm curious why Veach thought he could let Morse walk without finding an adequate replacement. That makes absolutely no sense, unless they were seriously counting on Allegretti. __________________ Your son is a bench warmer because of your weak genetics not because of the coach Norlin Mommsen is disgusting.
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