Has there ever been a more insecure QB than Baker Mayfield?

[Baby Lee]

I'm not making a prediction on Mayfield, but as a general proposition, I just can't wrap my head around attitude problems being an unfixable impediment, particularly compared to not having pocket presence or not having touch on your passes.

Maybe move it completely away from the NFL, I firmly believe Phil Jackson could handle all manner of head cases if the talent was there. He was blessed with Jordan and Pippen, but he could have made magic with an Iverson, or a Lambier, or even a Shawn Kemp. Look at how he handled Rodman for Christ's sake.

Absent head trauma or some shit, and unless they are just a plain bad seed like Hernandez or Carruth, it's the essence of a HC job to get the personnel in the right mindset, to be prepared, to be poised, to be alert, to be focused.

If someone can't throw 50 yards on a rope, there isn't a coach on earth who can teach you to. If someone can't stand in the pocket without shitting their skivvies, there isn't a coach on earth who can instill that in you. But if you have physical skills, there HAS TO BE a coach who can get your mind right. Appeal to ego, appeal to competitiveness. Appeal to vanity. Appeal to fear. Show trust if it helps. Show parental love if it helps. Show stern monitoring if it's required . . . find the levers that bring out the best and yank them heartily. That's coaching.

For the most part, underachieving talent is a coaching failure above all other failures.

Bradshaw was a sensitive and emotional soul who hated Knoll with a passion that would bring him to tears, but Knoll handled him in a particular way that led to the league's first dynasty, while leaning on Bradshaw's mental and emotional state a good deal.

Not everyone can be a self-starter in all facets like Mahomes, or Farve and Manning and Starr and on and on before him. But talent can be corraled. It can't be bestowed, but if it's there it can be corraled.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I'm not making a prediction on Mayfield, but as a general proposition, I just can't wrap my head around attitude problems being an unfixable impediment, particularly compared to not having pocket presence or not having touch on your passes.

Maybe move it completely away from the NFL, I firmly believe Phil Jackson could handle all manner of head cases if the talent was there. He was blessed with Jordan and Pippen, but he could have made magic with an Iverson, or a Lambier, or even a Shawn Kemp. Look at how he handled Rodman for Christ's sake.

Absent head trauma or some shit, and unless they are just a plain bad seed like Hernandez or Carruth, it's the essence of a HC job to get the personnel in the right mindset, to be prepared, to be poised, to be alert, to be focused.

If someone can't throw 50 yards on a rope, there isn't a coach on earth who can teach you to. If someone can't stand in the pocket without shitting their skivvies, there isn't a coach on earth who can instill that in you. But if you have physical skills, there HAS TO BE a coach who can get your mind right. Appeal to ego, appeal to competitiveness. Appeal to vanity. Appeal to fear. Show trust if it helps. Show parental love if it helps. Show stern monitoring if it's required . . . find the levers that bring out the best and yank them heartily. That's coaching.

For the most part, underachieving talent is a coaching failure above all other failures.

Bradshaw was a sensitive and emotional soul who hated Knoll with a passion that would bring him to tears, but Knoll handled him in a particular way that led to the league's first dynasty, while leaning on Bradshaw's mental and emotional state a good deal.

Not everyone can be a self-starter in all facets like Mahomes, or Farve and Manning and Starr and on and on before him. But talent can be corraled. It can't be bestowed, but if it's there it can be corraled.

Big Ben and cam are pretty good examples. I agree. It's not like manziel with off field distractions. It's not like TO with on field distractions. The dude is offputtingly arrogant. You can harness some of that confidence into good and minimize the negatives that comes with. Not get rid of, just limit it.

[notorious]

An Alpha dog coach needs to come in and put a foot in his ass.

Teach him to harness his “**** you” in the right direction.

I think he can be decent, but needs a man at coach. An offensive line that doesn’t completely suck will help, too.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Big Ben and cam are pretty good examples. I agree. It's not like manziel with off field distractions. It's not like TO with on field distractions. The dude is offputtingly arrogant. You can harness some of that confidence into good and minimize the negatives that comes with. Not get rid of, just limit it.

I'm still kind of intrigued by Jameis in TB. He seems to have a great attitude from a competitiveness and willingness to work standpoint, but he has massive mental deficits in decision making.

The NFLs first 30-30 QB and an ostensible QB guru is a fascinating experiment. Glad it's not on my dime, but it remains intriguing to monitor.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I'm still kind of intrigued by Jameis in TB. He seems to have a great attitude from a competitiveness and willingness to work standpoint, but he has massive mental deficits in decision making.

The NFLs first 30-30 QB and an ostensible QB guru is a fascinating experiment. Glad it's not on my dime, but it remains intriguing to monitor.

Ive said before Jameis is a better version of Ryan Fitzpatrick. You could do a lot worse. But that type of decision making is barely going to make you a. 500 team. Especially with the $ James thinks he deeerves.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Baker with McDaniels plus patriot way staff are the ingredients for a voltron mega douche. A gigantic robot couche like this world has never seen before.

And this is why I still give even 1/8" of a **** about the NFL.

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

You would think Bienemy would want to be pretty picky about a HC position. He has a pretty sweet gig here and there will always be opportunities for him as long as he’s Andy Reid’s OC with Patrick Mahomes at QB.

If he jumps for the wrong job and fails badly (like could be possible in Cleveland), he may kill his stock since he isn’t an established head coach.

This is correct.