49ers forum and conspiracy

[tooge]

So I visited a niners forum this am. I just lurked to see what they were saying about the game. It struck me as funny that their basic narrative is the same one that some people have spouted here for years. The league wanted Reid/Mahomes to win, Mahomes is the new golden boy, etc. Thy are bitching about all the non holding calls on the chiefs OL. How Mahomes had all day to throw, how the offsides wasn't called and that would've changed the game, how the OPI on Kittle was bs, non roughing the passer calls for hits to Jimmy, etc.

Kittle OPI was totally legit. They missed a hand to the helmet and facemask of Mahomes, Mahomes was running for his life the entire game and holding happens on both teams on every play. It's interesting how as fans, when we lose we only see the shit that goes against us.

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by TripleThreat

I just re-watched it again, I think you need to too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoMw_cYs510

Kittle burned the guy, and both the defender and tight end had their arms extended fighting one another... Again, if Kittle hadn't burned him, and then created seperation from the push off, so be it, but he didn't.

99% of the time this is not called.

JFC - you are arguing (incorrectly, I might add) on what a Ref may or may not do in a given situation. Quite frankly, that doesn’t matter to me in the least. You appear to be glossing over the very simple fact that it was, indeed, the correct call. There’s absolutely nothing to argue about here. It’s like trying to argue holding calls. Some get called while others don’t. Fact is, a hold is a hold and an OPI is an OPI. Again, FULL STOP.

[Bearcat]

Yeah, with CP's sensitivity to media coverage and such over the years, and all the threads the past couple weeks whenever anyone has said anything even remotely negative about the Chiefs...... it had me thinking, the more success they see, the more haters there will be, and like you said, with all the same narratives.

It's glorious.

[ThaVirus]

It seemed to me like they were letting the guys play, which is nice. That's the sort of refereeing the fans have been asking for.

If that Kittle OPI wasn't correct then can the NFL retroactively rescind the OPI called on Tony G in the playoffs all those years ago? Can they take back the bullshit holding call on Fisher in the 2016 playoffs? The forward progress rat****ing from Jeff Triplette in the 2017 playoffs? The shit end of the stick we got in games against the Patriots in the 2015 and 2018 playoffs? How about the cooking oil scandal against the Broncos?

[TripleThreat]

Originally Posted by Chiefs=Champions

Sometimes holding calls don't affect the play directly, but they are called. Dee ford was offsides but didnt affect the play, it doesnt matter, its still a penalty.

That is simply not true and you are comparing opposites. Pass interfence rules do not extend to off side rules..

From the rule book on pass interference

"Contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the pass is clearly uncatchable by the involved players, except as specified in 8-3-2 and 8-5-4 pertaining to blocking downfield by the offense.." meaning the PI is not called if the ball is uncatchable

So no, just because its a penalty, doesn't mean it gets called just because it doesn't affect the play.

[A8bil]

Originally Posted by TripleThreat

How? I mean we won, be honest about the call at least.

Kittle BURNED the dude, the push off wasn't the reason Kittle was so far out ahead..

Find me WR's or DB's that aren't extending their arms into one another when going up for a ball......

You make that call when the two players are hugging one another, and one of the players pushes the player clearly and forcefully away from him to make the catch, Kittle didn't do that....

I think what you are pointing to, is the inconsistency in how these things were called week to week and game to game this year. They instituted the replay this year on PI's and we could all see that there is a lot of hand checking / fighting all the way downfield on a lot of plays. Early on, they were calling it PI every time...late in the year, almost never as they realized that the penalty was dictating the outcome of games in a way the league didn't anticipate or desire. Lots of confusion from the fans standpoint.

[TripleThreat]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

JFC - you are arguing (incorrectly, I might add) on what a Ref may or may not do in a given situation. Quite frankly, that doesn’t matter to me in the least. You appear to be glossing over the very simple fact that it was, indeed, the correct call. There’s absolutely nothing to argue about here. It’s like trying to argue holding calls. Some get called while others don’t. Fact is, a hold is a hold and an OPI is an OPI. Again, FULL STOP.

Who decides I'm arguing incorrectly? ...

My only point is the refs as I said in the original post that started this, is outside of the PI call on Kittle, the refs let both teams play. Now if it was a game where they were calling every little push off, flags left and right etc, I wouldn't be saying the kittle call was a little weak, because that was how the game was being called, but it wasn't. It was being called in a fashion of "let them play" and I personally feel that specific call didnt reflect the game the refs were calling. Simple as that.

But yes ill move on cause theres 0 reason to argue after winning the big game, especially over another team's call that was unfavorable to them lmao

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by tooge

...their basic narrative is the same one that some people have spouted here for years. The league wanted Reid/Mahomes to win, Mahomes is the new golden boy, etc...

A fair argument. One that I would make if I were on the other side of the equation, which in fact, KC was for so so many years. And now that the shoe is on the other foot, what do have to say?

In the immortal words of KGB from Rounders... I dont geef a ****.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by TripleThreat

Im so full of shit? At least provide a reason as to why

You know the reason why. You just don't accept it. That's not our problem.

But that's textbook OPI. Yes, Sorenson was beat. He didn't extend his arm to beat him. He extended his arm so Sorenson couldn't close the gap. His arm was full extension with contact to Sorenson's shoulder. That's not hand fighting, it's called a push off.

It's textbook OPI and you whining about it doesn't change that.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by TripleThreat

I just re-watched it again, I think you need to too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoMw_cYs510

Kittle burned the guy, and both the defender and tight end had their arms extended fighting one another... Again, if Kittle hadn't burned him, and then created seperation from the push off, so be it, but he didn't.

99% of the time this is not called.

Burned? Lmfao. The only reason he had any separation was the push off. He was right on his heels. Kittle likely catches the pass without the push off because he's so much bigger than the defensive back, but it was clear OPI and the only reason for any separation

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

JFC - you are arguing (incorrectly, I might add) on what a Ref may or may not do in a given situation. Quite frankly, that doesn’t matter to me in the least. You appear to be glossing over the very simple fact that it was, indeed, the correct call. There’s absolutely nothing to argue about here. It’s like trying to argue holding calls. Some get called while others don’t. Fact is, a hold is a hold and an OPI is an OPI. Again, FULL STOP.

This.

It's OPI. Whether you like it or not, and whether some refs call it or not is not the point. Tough shit. It's OPI.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by TripleThreat

Who decides I'm arguing incorrectly? ...

My only point is the refs as I said in the original post that started this, is outside of the PI call on Kittle, the refs let both teams play. Now if it was a game where they were calling every little push off, flags left and right etc, I wouldn't be saying the kittle call was a little weak, because that was how the game was being called, but it wasn't. It was being called in a fashion of "let them play" and I personally feel that specific call didnt reflect the game the refs were calling. Simple as that.

But yes ill move on cause theres 0 reason to argue after winning the big game, especially over another team's call that was unfavorable to them lmao

It was a full arm extension. TWICE. Right in front of the ref's face.

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by TripleThreat

Who decides I'm arguing incorrectly? ...

My only point is the refs as I said in the original post that started this, is outside of the PI call on Kittle, the refs let both teams play. Now if it was a game where they were calling every little push off, flags left and right etc, I wouldn't be saying the kittle call was a little weak, because that was how the game was being called, but it wasn't. It was being called in a fashion of "let them play" and I personally feel that specific call didnt reflect the game the refs were calling. Simple as that.

But yes ill move on cause theres 0 reason to argue after winning the big game, especially over another team's call that was unfavorable to them lmao

I did. I decided you are arguing incorrectly, because you don’t understand the rules or won’t accept an explanation that has been clearly defined by EXPERTS who have reviewed the play.

But, by all means, keep ****ing that chicken.

[TripleThreat]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

This.

It's OPI. Whether you like it or not, and whether some refs call it or not is not the point. Tough shit. It's OPI.

refer to post #36, the game that was being called didn't warrant that call is pretty much all I'm saying and have been saying when re-watching the play.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by TripleThreat

I just re-watched it again, I think you need to too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoMw_cYs510

Kittle burned the guy, and both the defender and tight end had their arms extended fighting one another... Again, if Kittle hadn't burned him, and then created seperation from the push off, so be it, but he didn't.

99% of the time this is not called.

Are you going to act like you dont see Sorensen on him and then his upper body lean back as Kittle pushes off and creates more space to make the catch? Now I dont think for a second that Sorensen makes a play on the ball one way or the other, the ball was in the perfect place, but shut the **** up with this bullshit that he didn't interfere with Sorensen's ability to defend the play.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Hey you know what even if it is rigged...I don't care, we won.

Boom.