Chiefs How to play this off-season with free agency? - Page 13

Walt White · 02-06-2020, 09:45 PM

I don't know the cap space that well so people smarter will have to tell me what we can do. I'm just excited to see how good this team can get. All the building blocks are in place. It's a matter of how we can supplement the pieces. And I know retain the big pieces is most important.

So assuming we can keep Chris Jones and give Pat an extension, will we have any room at all in the cap to make impact additions? Keeping Sammy looks unlikely. Not sure how many of our corners we can keep?

Even if we play it perfect, will there be any cap left to add some vet free agents? It seems like a pretty strong offensive line class in free agency if we could add one or two. Or if we could add an LB (although Hitchens make a lot). Or a vet corner? Trade possibilities?

I'm just trying to get a realistic grid of what potential moves we can make. I know hitting on picks in the draft will be the biggest way to improve. But if we can get some discounted vets or something, that could go a long way into having freedom in drafting more luxury picks.

PurpleRiders51 · 02-07-2020, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Sorenson isn't awful or anything but when we are going to have the highest paid QB in the league, that is a luxury we don't have anymore.

Guys like Sorenson have to be replaced by late draft picks/UDFAs that guy do the job or vets that will take cheap deals to win. That is the reality of the situation.

Don't we have Thornhill coming back next year? DD won't be necessary then.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! · 02-07-2020, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PurpleRiders51

Don't we have Thornhill coming back next year? DD won't be necessary then.

Even when Thornhill was playing, dirty dan got 80% of the snaps

smithandrew051 · 02-07-2020, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

That’s why the dynasty talk is premature. It’s hard to be a dynasty and only 2 teams have done it in the salary cap era: Denver and NE.

And guess what? They both got caught cheating.

We had an incredible amount of luck this year. That doesn’t always happen.

We also had an incredible amount of bad luck this year too. That doesn’t always happen.

Walt White · 02-07-2020, 08:01 PM

I know Pat can make it work with whatever on offense. But we should be trying to make this the best offense ever. Make our strength and all time great strength. Imagine it with a better O Line and even better running game.

I don't want to take steps back there. Regardless if we have to lose Watkins and D Rob. Draft an OL for sure and maybe find some gems/vets for depth. But we might as well continue to build the best WR group in the league. I know we will find a gem at WR this draft. We will sign a vet that will revive his career with Pat. And at RB, we got Damien. Then sign a vet cheap that needs another shot. And draft one.

I will trust what we do in the draft regardless. But I'd be okay with going WR and RB with our first two picks even with the other perceived needs. If we know there is OL or CB we grade high that will be available later. I just don't want to force drafting a line backer or something just because we need one. If we can find a steal later or love one, great. But this is supposed to be a weak LB class so we can fill that else where if need be. We know how to draft so that is a big plus. I do wish we had more picks.

RunKC · 02-07-2020, 09:05 PM

Whenever I think about Chris Jones, I just look back and see how much of a badass Brett Veach has been.

He was right about Mahomes
He was right to get rid of Houston
He was right to get rid of Ford
He was right to get rid of Peters
He was right to go overboard for Clark
He was right to pay Matheiu
He was right about Nnandi
He was right about Hardman
He was right about Thornhill
He was right about Saunders

He’s gained a hell of a lot of slack from me right now and made up for his Speaks mistake.

If he trades Jones, I will trust that he knows what he’s doing.

DRM08 · 02-07-2020, 09:08 PM

Nick Wright does a good job on the sticker shock with Mahomes. Costs $28M for Kirk Cousins and Jimmy G. That's the baseline for QB's in the league nowadays, so it's better to think of Mahomes at $40M in comparison to the $28M it would cost to have a typical QB in the league at this point...instead of comparing the $40M with Mahomes' rookie price at $4M.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_FgdhY2y_w

Walt White · 02-08-2020, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Whenever I think about Chris Jones, I just look back and see how much of a badass Brett Veach has been.

He was right about Mahomes
He was right to get rid of Houston
He was right to get rid of Ford
He was right to get rid of Peters
He was right to go overboard for Clark
He was right to pay Matheiu
He was right about Nnandi
He was right about Hardman
He was right about Thornhill
He was right about Saunders

He’s gained a hell of a lot of slack from me right now and made up for his Speaks mistake.

If he trades Jones, I will trust that he knows what he’s doing.

It is kind of insane how good he has been honestly. I trust him but there is a lot riding on this off season. Chris Jones is the big decision. What we decide to do with him could determine a lot.

Even with our corners, if we free up enough money to sign them but they want big deals, we still should not do it. So it still might make more sense to keep Jones. It depends on how much depth we can actually retain and if it is worth it. If a bunch of guys are willing to stay or come here on good deals, that is one thing.

One way or another, we just can't afford anymore overpays or dead cap situations. We have to think about the future a ton as well.

493rd · 02-08-2020, 07:17 AM

Watkins was our best WR throughout the playoffs. I’d like to see him back if he’s willing to restructure. Next, tag Jones and try to create some wiggle room for Breeland and Fuller. Veach will have to make some tough decisions, but I have faith in whatever he thinks is best.

02-08-2020, 07:35 AM

First priority is to sign and then to protect Mahomes. Bolster the OL and don't look back. Veach is a very smart guy. I assume his trade up days are largely over. Look for him to trade back and gather picks, like the Pats and Ravens. Tag and trade Jones-- his value will never be higher. Keep Watkins if the number works, but explore a trade. This year's draft is so deep with WR's there will be good receivers released post-draft. Mahomes is now tied to the quality of team he leads. The money he takes affects what Veach can do.

Naptown Chief · 02-08-2020, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by PurpleRiders51

Don't we have Thornhill coming back next year? DD won't be necessary then.

DON'T YOU DARE TALK ABOUT DREAMY DAN LIKE THAT!

chiefzilla1501 · 02-08-2020, 07:48 AM

Is darron Lee out? His Twitter is making it sound like it.

Chris Meck · 02-08-2020, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs Moon

First priority is to sign and then to protect Mahomes. Bolster the OL and don't look back. Veach is a very smart guy. I assume his trade up days are largely over. Look for him to trade back and gather picks, like the Pats and Ravens. Tag and trade Jones-- his value will never be higher. Keep Watkins if the number works, but explore a trade. This year's draft is so deep with WR's there will be good receivers released post-draft. Mahomes is now tied to the quality of team he leads. The money he takes affects what Veach can do.

Mahomes' big money hit on the cap is still two years away unless I misunderstand the situation.

You extend him, he's got the 2020 season on his rookie number, then 2021 is the franchise tag number, then the big hit starts 2022.

Anyone verify?

Anyway, we could be four SB's deep by then.

Chris Meck · 02-08-2020, 07:57 AM

What would Watkins cap number look like if you extended his deal...say three years and converted a bunch of that to bonus? I don't know enough about how that works.

Walt White · 02-08-2020, 08:00 AM

The Watkins situation is also weird. I don't know if he wants a break from football, wants to get paid, or wants to restructure to stay with us. He is likely gone but I guess we will see. If some team really wants to pay DRob, they can go right ahead. I'd love for him to stay since he knows our offense and has chemistry with the team. But how much of his value is based on Pat making him look good?

PurpleRiders51 · 02-08-2020, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Naptown Chief

DON'T YOU DARE TALK ABOUT DREAMY DAN LIKE THAT!

Like what? I asked a question and made a observation if the answer was yes. Dan is okay, I like him and all. But if we're talking about important contributors to this year's Super Bowl win being expendable like Watkins & Jones then surely having Thronhill on a year two contract would make Dan the same.

02-06-2020, 09:45 PM
Walt White Starter Join Date: Jan 2019 Casino cash: $10000400	How to play this off-season with free agency? I don't know the cap space that well so people smarter will have to tell me what we can do. I'm just excited to see how good this team can get. All the building blocks are in place. It's a matter of how we can supplement the pieces. And I know retain the big pieces is most important. So assuming we can keep Chris Jones and give Pat an extension, will we have any room at all in the cap to make impact additions? Keeping Sammy looks unlikely. Not sure how many of our corners we can keep? Even if we play it perfect, will there be any cap left to add some vet free agents? It seems like a pretty strong offensive line class in free agency if we could add one or two. Or if we could add an LB (although Hitchens make a lot). Or a vet corner? Trade possibilities? I'm just trying to get a realistic grid of what potential moves we can make. I know hitting on picks in the draft will be the biggest way to improve. But if we can get some discounted vets or something, that could go a long way into having freedom in drafting more luxury picks.
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02-07-2020, 08:01 PM	#184
Walt White Starter Join Date: Jan 2019 Casino cash: $10000400	I know Pat can make it work with whatever on offense. But we should be trying to make this the best offense ever. Make our strength and all time great strength. Imagine it with a better O Line and even better running game. I don't want to take steps back there. Regardless if we have to lose Watkins and D Rob. Draft an OL for sure and maybe find some gems/vets for depth. But we might as well continue to build the best WR group in the league. I know we will find a gem at WR this draft. We will sign a vet that will revive his career with Pat. And at RB, we got Damien. Then sign a vet cheap that needs another shot. And draft one. I will trust what we do in the draft regardless. But I'd be okay with going WR and RB with our first two picks even with the other perceived needs. If we know there is OL or CB we grade high that will be available later. I just don't want to force drafting a line backer or something just because we need one. If we can find a steal later or love one, great. But this is supposed to be a weak LB class so we can fill that else where if need be. We know how to draft so that is a big plus. I do wish we had more picks.
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02-07-2020, 09:05 PM	#185
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1450389	Whenever I think about Chris Jones, I just look back and see how much of a badass Brett Veach has been. He was right about Mahomes He was right to get rid of Houston He was right to get rid of Ford He was right to get rid of Peters He was right to go overboard for Clark He was right to pay Matheiu He was right about Nnandi He was right about Hardman He was right about Thornhill He was right about Saunders He’s gained a hell of a lot of slack from me right now and made up for his Speaks mistake. If he trades Jones, I will trust that he knows what he’s doing. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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DRM08 In Search of a Life Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Texas Casino cash: $-969600	Nick Wright does a good job on the sticker shock with Mahomes. Costs $28M for Kirk Cousins and Jimmy G. That's the baseline for QB's in the league nowadays, so it's better to think of Mahomes at $40M in comparison to the $28M it would cost to have a typical QB in the league at this point...instead of comparing the $40M with Mahomes' rookie price at $4M. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_FgdhY2y_w
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493rd GDT Contributor Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: * Casino cash: $-359600	Watkins was our best WR throughout the playoffs. I’d like to see him back if he’s willing to restructure. Next, tag Jones and try to create some wiggle room for Breeland and Fuller. Veach will have to make some tough decisions, but I have faith in whatever he thinks is best.
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02-08-2020, 07:35 AM	#189
Chiefs Moon Guest Casino cash: $	First priority is to sign and then to protect Mahomes. Bolster the OL and don't look back. Veach is a very smart guy. I assume his trade up days are largely over. Look for him to trade back and gather picks, like the Pats and Ravens. Tag and trade Jones-- his value will never be higher. Keep Watkins if the number works, but explore a trade. This year's draft is so deep with WR's there will be good receivers released post-draft. Mahomes is now tied to the quality of team he leads. The money he takes affects what Veach can do.
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02-08-2020, 07:48 AM	#191
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1575503	Is darron Lee out? His Twitter is making it sound like it.
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02-08-2020, 07:57 AM	#193
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1185090	What would Watkins cap number look like if you extended his deal...say three years and converted a bunch of that to bonus? I don't know enough about how that works.
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02-08-2020, 08:00 AM	#194
Walt White Starter Join Date: Jan 2019 Casino cash: $10000400	The Watkins situation is also weird. I don't know if he wants a break from football, wants to get paid, or wants to restructure to stay with us. He is likely gone but I guess we will see. If some team really wants to pay DRob, they can go right ahead. I'd love for him to stay since he knows our offense and has chemistry with the team. But how much of his value is based on Pat making him look good?
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