We have a new GM and his name is Brett Veach

[PAChiefsGuy]

Lets keep it real Veach came into a great situation that is making him look really good, possibly better than he actually is.

Its a whole lot easier being GM of the Chiefs w Reid, Mahomes, Kelce, Hill, Chris Jones etc. than it is a team that would be trying to rebuild from scratch.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Lets keep it real Veach came into a great situation that is making him look really good, possibly better than he actually is.

Its a whole lot easier being GM of the Chiefs w Reid, Mahomes, Kelce, Hill, Chris Jones etc. than it is a team that would be trying to rebuild from scratch.

C'mon, man. Veach has been killing it. Maybe that first draft wasn't the greatest but once he got his legs under him he's been nails. Let's do a quick review.

Player for player trades:

1. Eric Murray for Emanuel Ogbah: Homerun
2. Parker Ehringer for Charvarius Ward: Homerun
3. Alex Smith for Kendall Fuller, 3rd round pick that turned into Nnadi: Homerun.
4. Carlos Hyde for Martinas Rankin: Homerun

Draft picks for player trades:

1. 1st & 2nd for Frank Clark: Homerun
2. 4th for Reggie Ragland: Solid contributor and part-time starter.
3. 5th for Cam Erving: Decent depth.
4. 6th for Jordan Lucas: Solid depth.
5. 6th for Darren Lee: Whiff.

Other teams Practice Squad:

1. Harrison Butker: Homerun

Major Free Agents:

1. Tyrann Mathieu: Homerun
2. Sammy Watkins: Starter, major contributor that came up big in big games.
3. Anthony Hitchens: Starter, major contributor, albeit overpaid.
4. Alex Okafor: Starter, very good player before injury.
5. Bashaud Breeland: Starter, major contributor, came up big several times.
6. Damien Wilson: Dang close to a homerun. Easily our best linebacker.
7. Xavier Williams: Whiff

Low Level Free Agents:

1. Damien Williams: Homerun, fits the offense, came up big in big games.
2. Mo Claiborne: Emergency depth.
3. Chad Henne: Solid backup and veteran presence.
4. LeSean McCoy: Emergency depth, filled in effectively during Williams' injury.
5. Austin Reiter: Starter, replaceable but got the job done.
6. Andrew Wylie: Part-time starter, replaceable but did his part.

Off the Couch:

1. Mike Pennel: Homerun.
2. Stefan Wisniewski: Homerun
3. Matt Moore: Homerun

Waiver Wire:

1. Terrell Suggs: Exactly what we needed at exactly that moment.

Draft:

Veach has had two drafts and a total of 12 picks, including zero 1st round picks. Of those 12 picks, 10 are still with the team. McKenzie has been the only wasted pick. Tremon Smith contributed as a 6th round pick on Kick returns. Breeland Speaks is the key to the 2018 draft, as Nnadi is the only top line player from the class.

The 2019 draft has yielded four major contributors and one rookie starter. All four are probably future starters in Hardman, Thornhill, Saunders, and Fenton. Again, four potential starters with no first round pick.

So I don't know what criteria you are using to evaluate Veach's performance but I think you might be missing the boat. Dude did what he needed to do to fix the defense in one season and it was enough to win the championship. He definitely should have been considered for executive of the year.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by penchief

C'mon, man. Veach has been killing it. Maybe that first draft wasn't the greatest but once he got his legs under him he's been nails. Let's do a quick review.

Player for player trades:

1. Eric Murray for Emanuel Ogbah: Homerun
2. Parker Ehringer for Charvarius Ward: Homerun
3. Alex Smith for Kendall Fuller, 3rd round pick that turned into Nnadi: Homerun.
4. Carlos Hyde for Martinas Rankin: Homerun

Draft picks for player trades:

1. 1st & 2nd for Frank Clark: Homerun
2. 4th for Reggie Ragland: Solid contributor and part-time starter.
3. 5th for Cam Erving: Decent depth.
4. 6th for Jordan Lucas: Solid depth.
5. 6th for Darren Lee: Whiff.

Other teams Practice Squad:

1. Harrison Butker: Homerun

Major Free Agents:

1. Tyrann Mathieu: Homerun
2. Sammy Watkins: Starter, major contributor that came up big in big games.
3. Anthony Hitchens: Starter, major contributor, albeit overpaid.
4. Alex Okafor: Starter, very good player before injury.
5. Bashaud Breeland: Starter, major contributor, came up big several times.
6. Damien Wilson: Dang close to a homerun. Easily our best linebacker.
7. Xavier Williams: Whiff

Low Level Free Agents:

1. Damien Smith: Homerun, fits the offense, came up big in big games.
2. Mo Claiborne: Emergency depth.
3. Chad Henne: Solid backup and veteran presence.
4. LeSean McCoy: Emergency depth, filled in effectively during Smith's injury.
5. Austin Reiter: Starter, replaceable but got the job done.
6. Andrew Wylie: Part-time starter, replaceable but did his part.

Off the Couch:

1. Mike Pennel: Homerun.
2. Stefan Wisniewski: Homerun
3. Matt Moore: Homerun

Waiver Wire:

1. Terrell Suggs: Exactly what we needed at exactly that moment.

Draft:

Veach has had two drafts and a total of 12 picks, including zero 1st round picks. Of those 12 picks, 10 are still with the team. McKenzie has been the only wasted pick. Tremon Smith contributed as a 6th round pick on Kick returns. Breeland Speaks is the key to the 2018 draft, as Nnadi is the only top line player from the class.

The 2019 draft has yielded four major contributors and one rookie starter. All four are probably future starters in Hardman, Thornhill, Saunders, and Fenton. Again, four potential starters with no first round pick.

So I don't know what criteria you are using to evaluate Veach's performance but I think you might be missing the boat. Dude did what he needed to do to fix the defense in one season and it was enough to win the championship. He definitely should have been considered for executive of the year.

He's been good for sure. I never said in my post that he wasn't. Still doesn't change the fact he came into a great situation that made his job easier than it would be for a GM trying to turn around a shit team like say the Cardinals.

I'm not sold on Veach being a great GM yet. Way too small of a sample size. Give it another year or two and see how he does. Hopefully you guys are right but for now IMO the jury is still out.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

He's been good for sure. I never said in my post that he wasn't. Still doesn't change the fact he came into a great situation that made his job easier than it would be for a GM trying to turn around a shit team like say the Cardinals.

I'm not sold on Veach being a great GM yet. Way too small of a sample size. Give it another year or two and see how he does. Hopefully you guys are right but for now IMO the jury is still out.

your take has usually been-talk to me after they win a SB. Talk to me after the season.

Now, it's 'too small a sample size'.

I'm sorry, I was busy looking at this shiny Lombardi trophy, did you say something?

Good lord, man.

They won the ****ing thing. The whole ****ing thing.

Veach was a big part of that.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

your take has usually been-talk to me after they win a SB. Talk to me after the season.

Now, it's 'too small a sample size'.

I'm sorry, I was busy looking at this shiny Lombardi trophy, did you say something?

Good lord, man.

They won the ****ing thing. The whole ****ing thing.

Veach was a big part of that.

I've always believed the Chiefs could win a SB w Reid even when Alex Smith was here I said they could. So the whole 'talk to me after they win a SB' is absolute BS...

Yes Veach was a big part of the SB win and he has done a good, if not great job so far. I hope he kills it the rest of the time here as a Chiefs GM but that's not going to stop me from being objective.

He was put in a great situation. Anyone denying that is just being a homer.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

He was put in a great situation. Anyone denying that is just being a homer.

Well, he's been there for the entire ride. And when considering his input on the drafting of Mahomes, one has to think he's been a big part of it from the start.

That said, if you want to evaluate him based on just the work he's done in the two years since becoming GM, that list I put up is pretty damn impressive. Show me another GM who has done as well in the past two years.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

your take has usually been-talk to me after they win a SB. Talk to me after the season.

Now, it's 'too small a sample size'.

I'm sorry, I was busy looking at this shiny Lombardi trophy, did you say something?

Good lord, man.

They won the ****ing thing. The whole ****ing thing.

Veach was a big part of that.

The way he plugged up holes this season when we needed a guy- was pretty amazing. Pennel ended up being a cornerstone of that defense and looks like he might stick around a few more years. Talking about pulling a diamond out of the rough.

His other big moves panned out when it counted most as well- Sammy, Honey Badger, Hitchens and Clark all played well through the playoffs and SB. Hell, even slow-ass Ragland chipped in.

The coaching staff was also pretty great-according to the praise of the players themselves. Guys really bought into their techniques and coaching, especially in the secondary.

I am very impressed with Veech so far. Looking forward to seeing how he navigates this important Free Agency with Jones and Watkins- then the draft, to get us loaded up for another run.

The moves he makes in the next few months will not only affect this year-but will impact us several years down the road with the cap.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

The way he plugged up holes this season when we needed a guy- was pretty amazing. Pennel ended up being a cornerstone of that defense and looks like he might stick around a few more years. Talking about pulling a diamond out of the rough.

His other big moves panned out when it counted most as well- Sammy, Honey Badger, Hitchens and Clark all played well through the playoffs and SB. Hell, even slow-ass Ragland chipped in.

The coaching staff was also pretty great-according to the praise of the players themselves. Guys really bought into their techniques and coaching, especially in the secondary.

I am very impressed with Veech so far. Looking forward to seeing how he navigates this important Free Agency with Jones and Watkins- then the draft, to get us loaded up for another run.

The moves he makes in the next few months will not only affect this year-but will impact us several years down the road with the cap.

Would people please stop w the Sammy was a great FA signing BS. Guy is one of the most overpaid players in the league

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Would people please stop w the Sammy was a great FA signing BS. Guy is one of the most overpaid players in the league

Soooooo ****ing stupid. Good god. Have you watched any of our playoff games? Who gives a **** what he did in the regular season when he showed up big when it really mattered?

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Would people please stop w the Sammy was a great FA signing BS. Guy is one of the most overpaid players in the league

Read the post again- it says that Sammy came through when it mattered most.

Did you even watch the Superbowl?

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by penchief

C'mon, man. Veach has been killing it. Maybe that first draft wasn't the greatest but once he got his legs under him he's been nails. Let's do a quick review.

Player for player trades:

1. Eric Murray for Emanuel Ogbah: Homerun
2. Parker Ehringer for Charvarius Ward: Homerun
3. Alex Smith for Kendall Fuller, 3rd round pick that turned into Nnadi: Homerun.
4. Carlos Hyde for Martinas Rankin: Homerun

Draft picks for player trades:

1. 1st & 2nd for Frank Clark: Homerun
2. 4th for Reggie Ragland: Solid contributor and part-time starter.
3. 5th for Cam Erving: Decent depth.
4. 6th for Jordan Lucas: Solid depth.
5. 6th for Darren Lee: Whiff.

Other teams Practice Squad:

1. Harrison Butker: Homerun

Major Free Agents:

1. Tyrann Mathieu: Homerun
2. Sammy Watkins: Starter, major contributor that came up big in big games.
3. Anthony Hitchens: Starter, major contributor, albeit overpaid.
4. Alex Okafor: Starter, very good player before injury.
5. Bashaud Breeland: Starter, major contributor, came up big several times.
6. Damien Wilson: Dang close to a homerun. Easily our best linebacker.
7. Xavier Williams: Whiff

Low Level Free Agents:

1. Damien Williams: Homerun, fits the offense, came up big in big games.
2. Mo Claiborne: Emergency depth.
3. Chad Henne: Solid backup and veteran presence.
4. LeSean McCoy: Emergency depth, filled in effectively during Smith's injury.
5. Austin Reiter: Starter, replaceable but got the job done.
6. Andrew Wylie: Part-time starter, replaceable but did his part.

Off the Couch:

1. Mike Pennel: Homerun.
2. Stefan Wisniewski: Homerun
3. Matt Moore: Homerun

Waiver Wire:

1. Terrell Suggs: Exactly what we needed at exactly that moment.

Draft:

Veach has had two drafts and a total of 12 picks, including zero 1st round picks. Of those 12 picks, 10 are still with the team. McKenzie has been the only wasted pick. Tremon Smith contributed as a 6th round pick on Kick returns. Breeland Speaks is the key to the 2018 draft, as Nnadi is the only top line player from the class.

The 2019 draft has yielded four major contributors and one rookie starter. All four are probably future starters in Hardman, Thornhill, Saunders, and Fenton. Again, four potential starters with no first round pick.

So I don't know what criteria you are using to evaluate Veach's performance but I think you might be missing the boat. Dude did what he needed to do to fix the defense in one season and it was enough to win the championship. He definitely should have been considered for executive of the year.

Great list- thanks for posting.

Veech deserves an A grade for these moves and winning a SB.