***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

The self-proclaimed Mr. Big Pharm football BB scientist has arrived.You all should be good to go now.

The one thing that is for sure is if the vitamin C drips are working that information will be suppressed in the United States.

Doctors and researchers are saying there is no evidence it works...THEREFORE...it works....

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

LOL, I don't know. I know I am not worried about it at all.
I hate going back and looking for stuff. It usually disappears. I will try and find something though.


https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04264533
http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n12.shtml

You posted a trial looking at Vitamin C without any results, you haven't posted anything that indicates Vitamin C is the most effective treatment in China for Covid-13. Orthomoleculars are a pseudoscience.

It's fine that you are not worried about it, but you are making a lot of claims without any data to support your claims.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by SupDock

You posted a trial looking at Vitamin C without any results, you haven't posted anything that indicates Vitamin C is the most effective treatment in China for Covid-13. Orthomoleculars are a pseudoscience.

It's fine that you are not worried about it, but you are making a lot of claims without any data to support your claims.

I didn't claim anything. I said I saw articles being posted on it.I am not a doctor in China, I really have no idea.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

The self-proclaimed Mr. Big Pharm football BB scientist has arrived.You all should be good to go now.

The one thing that is for sure is if the vitamin C drips are working that information will be suppressed in the United States.

Yeah... the info must be suppressed.

Come on man. You constantly post misinformation, and when called out on it you say stuff like it's been repressed or removed. I post links debunking your claims, and you just personally attack me instead of addressing your claims with factual data or links from something other than alt med sites that link to themselves. When you can't find evidence to support your claims, you just resort to blaming evil Big Pharma. Just like above. Sorry, but telling people not to believe the health professionals and take VitC and silver supplements isn't a positive thing right now.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Fish

First link doesn't work. Second link is from http://orthomolecular.org. An alternative medicine site. Every "Study" they offer links to their own site. The author/editor is a guy named Andrew Saul who goes by “The Megavitamin Man.”

Here's a fact check regarding this VitC idea:
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/fa...isnt-a-shield/

It came from a Facebook meme of course.

I don't have facebook and the first link works just fine. Once again I am not there so all I have is what I see in the news and online. This certainly does not make me a scientist like you.

I do believe in keeping your immunity up and staying alkaline. If that makes me crazy in your eyes so be it.

[FloridaMan88]

This is an overreaction...

Florida Department of Health now advising all individuals who have traveled internationally (anywhere internationally, even places that don't have any COVID-19 cases) to self-isolate for 14 days following their return date to the US.

[srvy]

Originally Posted by loochy

You sure about that, buddy?

No I just took what was prescribed by my doctor. I do know that antibiotics aren't effective for pneumonia. My old doc and this new one both have prescribed it to me when I developed it and stated it was routine basically to kill any infection that may have caused it. So the answer is I followed doctors recommendation.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Fish

Yeah... the info must be suppressed.

Come on man. You constantly post misinformation, and when called out on it you say stuff like it's been repressed or removed. I post links debunking your claims, and you just personally attack me instead of addressing your claims with factual data or links from something other than alt med sites that link to themselves. When you can't find evidence to support your claims, you just resort to blaming evil Big Pharma. Just like above. Sorry, but telling people not to believe the health professionals and take VitC and silver supplements isn't a positive thing right now.

You are skewing what I posted as usual. I have never used a silver product and said so. Having a good plant based C in your diet certainly can't hurt. Well you might think it does. I never made any claims about the results they are having in China. There is plenty of disinformation produced by Big Pharm. You seem to find all of it. Turning silver? Seriously? I know people who swear by the colloidal silver but I have no first hand knowledge and have never seen anyone turn silver. LMFAO

[Fish]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

I don't have facebook and the first link works fine. Once again I am not there so all I have is what I see in the news. This certainly does not make me a scientist like you.

I do believe in keeping your immunity up and staying alkaline. If that makes me crazy so be it.

Staying alkaline too? Hoooboy...

You're suggesting things that are unproven, while claiming the actual health professionals are lying. Skepticism is one thing, but you're pushing straight quackery.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by srvy

No I just took what was prescribed by my doctor. I do know that antibiotics aren't effective for pneumonia. My old doc and this new one both have prescribed it to me when I developed it and stated it was routine basically to kill any infection that may have caused it. So the answer is I followed doctors recommendation.

Antibiotics are effective for pneumonia, just not viral pneumonia

[chinaski]

Dude was wearing a surgical mask at the gym. It was around his chin though, apparently he couldn't breathe with it on while doing cardio.

Yesterday, the liquor store guy was wearing a dust musk like you would buy at Home Depot and nitrile gloves, probably from Harbor Freight.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

It would help if he had proof of the first claim for sure.

Link? What exactly do you think I claimed?

[SuperBowl4]

Originally Posted by chinaski

Dude was wearing a surgical mask at the gym. It was around his chin though, apparently he couldn't breathe with it on while doing cardio.

Yesterday, the liquor store guy was wearing a dust musk like you would buy at Home Depot and nitrile gloves, probably from Harbor Freight.

S*%# just got real!

[Strongside]

Text I just got from my mom:

Flu is negative but they had me call the health dept to let them know I'm sick and we had a positive covid19 at the hospital. Health dept says because I wasn't in direct contact with the person i dont meet testing criteria for the state. If not better in 2 days to call back

This is ****ing wild to me.

"I don't meet testing criteria for the state."

Shouldn't we be testing anyone with these symptoms at this point, especially when they're testing NEGATIVE for Influenza and work in a hospital that has had a positive patient??

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Fish

Staying alkaline too? Hoooboy...

You're suggesting things that are unproven, while claiming the actual health professionals are lying. Skepticism is one thing, but you're pushing straight quackery.

What health professionals?

I have high end personal physicians and the advise they give is quite different that the main stream BS you post on here consistently. I also almost never get sick. My whole family is like that. I will go with what they say and is working as opposed to what some self-proclaimed football scientist is cutting and posting on the internet. Thanks for your concern.

The least you can do is quit twisting everything I post. To reiterate:

I have no idea what is or is not working in China and either do you.
I have no idea if colloidal silver helps or not. I have never seen anyone who uses it turn silver though like something out of science fiction movie like the article you posted claimed.