***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by SuperBowl4

Book a Presidential Suite and take a chance!!

The presidential suite is nice, and would be a notable upgrade from my usual inside cabin. I just need the prices to decline another 90 percent.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Not a single person in the international locations without confirmed COVID-19 has shown severe enough symptoms to go to a hospital for treatment where they would at minimum report a presumptive positive case of the virus?

About a week ago, people were saying the same thing about the US. The long incubation period where people are infected but asymptomatic allows for that kind of thing to potentially happen.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

There is a lot of information out there that states that in China the best results for treatment have come from high dose vitamin C drips. If I felt like I was getting something I think I would get one immediately along with a hyperbaric IV ozone therapy 10 pass. Don't expect to hear about any of this from our trusted friends at the CDC, FDA or WHO.

You do realize that using Vitamin C and ozone therapy completely negates the other right?

Vitamin C depletes inhibits radical formation, hence the term "antioxidant". Ozone is a charged molecule that promotes radical formation and oxygenation. You might as well drink a bunch of vinegar and baking soda mixed together.

[IUsedToBeATightEnd]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

So where are all of the sick people in international locations such as the Bahamas and Aruba that have yet to record an official case of COVID-19?

Even if they are not actively testing for it, there would still be people getting sick and showing symptoms if the virus was actively present in those locations.

Also the hysteria you described in Italy is further evidence that the panicked-reaction is way worse than the danger of the virus.

For perspective there is a higher global mortality and hospitalization probability rate related to driving an automobile (due to accidents/crashes).

The virus has a low mortality rate (3%) PROVIDED THE INFECTED WHO REQUIRE HOSPITALIZATION AND MECHANICAL VENTILATION (ABOUT 30%) CAN GET IT.
Since this virus is extremely contagious (about ten times more than normal flu) it is easy to reach a point where only a fraction of the infected can receive the required cares. In which case the mortality will increase dramatically.
That's why quarantine is important. The Virus can't be stopped but can be slowed down so it doesn't clog the sanitary systems.
Reason why in China they had to build 15 (or so) new hospitals specifically for Covid-19 patients.

Originally Posted by Rain Man

When this whole thing happened, I was halfway through planning a trip to Italy. I've got airfare booked and a couple of hotels, but froze the planning when this thing happened. My wife was going to fly home (already booked) and I was going to take a cruise ship across the Atlantic from Italy to get home (not yet booked, though I'd picked the ship). This is all supposed to happen in the Fall. What do y'all think my odds are of actually being able to do the trip as planned?

If you don't mind doing the trip to be confined in a Hotel Room in Italy then you should take it. Doubt you'll ever get cheaper fares than in this period LOL.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by TLO

Can anyone tell me anything about the antiviral's that are in production?

Remdesivir is the most likely candidate to be used based upon its mechanism of action and demonstrated activity against coronaviruses. It has already been used in compassionate use situations (where one can get around normal clinical trial hurdles) in Washington and China.

The original antiviral nucleoside analogues were based around other nucleosides, like thymidine or cytosine. Remdisivir is based around adenosine, which makes it a novel agent.

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Remdesivir is the most likely candidate to be used based upon its mechanism of action and demonstrated activity against coronaviruses. It has already been used in compassionate use situations (where one can get around normal clinical trial hurdles) in Washington and China.

The original antiviral nucleoside analogues were based around other nucleosides, like thymidine or cytosine. Remdisivir is based around adenosine, which makes it a novel agent.

Yeah, but can you tell me how many 5 lb. bags of oranges I need to eat before I'm safe Dr. Smartypants??

[TLO]

Wishful thinking maybe.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Remdesivir is the most likely candidate to be used based upon its mechanism of action and demonstrated activity against coronaviruses. It has already been used in compassionate use situations (where one can get around normal clinical trial hurdles) in Washington and China.

The original antiviral nucleoside analogues were based around other nucleosides, like thymidine or cytosine. Remdisivir is based around adenosine, which makes it a novel agent.

So how long do we have to wait to get approval if Remdesivir works? It's not a new drug, so couldn't it be approved fairly quickly?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Whatever. It always kills me that people who run in the circles I do who prescribe to a lot of what many of you consider misinformation are so much healthier than the general population. (Much Healthier)One of them treats a bunch of the 49ers, I wonder why and how they ended up there. It's kind of a who's who of the silicon valley with executives. If you think you are getting better advice at Kaiser from a doctor following AMA protocol knock yourself out. IMO, diet matters. Supplements matter. Exercise matters. Treatments matter. It's so weird that this is the only place I go where people think it doesn't. IMO diet is king. To each their own though.

If you think an industry that uses blood boys and team physicians (whose best interests are almost always in contrast with the patient's) are bastions of expert medical advice then it's no wonder you're as misinformed as you are.

Supplements make almost no difference based solely upon their very low bioavailability. If you can get it from diet, then eat it; otherwise, you're just stressing your kidneys and liver for very very little gain.

The vitamin C myth is based entirely upon the mistakes of Linus Pauling, and repeated studies have shown no benefit. In fact, supplementation is an indicator of increased mortality in some cases (B12, for example). The body needs oxidative stress during cancer treatment because it is that stress that aids in lipid peroxidation and increased death of malignant cells.

[eDave]

Oh great. Hamas is here.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by TLO

Wishful thinking maybe.

I wonder what Japan is doing to be the outlier?

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You do realize that using Vitamin C and ozone therapy completely negates the other right?

Vitamin C depletes inhibits radical formation, hence the term "antioxidant". Ozone is a charged molecule that promotes radical formation and oxygenation. You might as well drink a bunch of vinegar and baking soda mixed together.

I have never done a vitamin C drip as I am rarely sick. I just posted what I had read during the week.

I have done hyperbaric IV ozone before and liked it a lot. MOF I am considering getting an EWOT therapy setup but need to finish my due diligence. Have you ever done either?

[R Clark]

Originally Posted by Donger

I wonder what Japan is doing to be the outlier?

Isn’t japan and China at odds with each other?

[srvy]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You do realize that using Vitamin C and ozone therapy completely negates the other right?

Vitamin C depletes inhibits radical formation, hence the term "antioxidant". Ozone is a charged molecule that promotes radical formation and oxygenation. You might as well drink a bunch of vinegar and baking soda mixed together.

Yum

I used to love making volcanos as a kid with that method.

[Perineum Ripper]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

1. What kind of dipshit sends screen shots of posts he read on an internet BB to a top orthopedic surgeon? LMFAO Liar

2. Are you even capable of reading? I think I clearly described what a team orthopedic surgeon actually is.

Cause when I was in his office last week getting my shoulder checked. We talked about anti vax people, people who use essential oils, people who think the government is out to **** them. So when you started on your tear of Vitamin C it reminded me of that so I text my friend who is a ortho surgeon. Are you incapable of understanding he is my friend, that is a ortho surgeon? He isn’t just an ortho surgeon that I see at appointments, we golf, we hang out, we text each other, screen shot shit that we find funny. Holy ****ing shit, I can’t believe I have to explain this out to someone, who claims to be friends with an ortho surgeon


What kind of dipshit thinks I was texting his ad an ortho surgeon and not my friend? Holy **** you are stupid. LMFAO. WTF LOL MAO BRB TRYL


You didn’t describe a team ortho surgeon is, you got damn troglodyte. You said teams don’t have an official ortho surgeon, unless they buy the title. That’s not explaining, that’s making shit up.