Chris Jones - Making Him the Highest Paid Defender in the League

[IUsedToBeATightEnd]

Originally Posted by Red Dawg

Trade Houston are you nuts? Trade Berry are you nuts?

How can you compare a player at the end of his career, and another one who's been "day by day and no play" for the past few years, to a healthy beast in his prime such as Jones

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by IUsedToBeATightEnd

How can you compare a player at the end of his career, and another one who's been "day by day and no play" for the past few years, to a healthy beast in his prime such as Jones

Because at the time they were given their money, Houston was a 20+ sack linebacker, and Berry was the beast who beat cancer, was hugely responsible for winning 2 games for the Chiefs on his huge plays that season, (Panthers, Falcons) and was comeback player of the year.

Jesus Christ, how ****ing obtuse can you be?

[JakeF]

Originally Posted by IUsedToBeATightEnd

How can you compare a player at the end of his career, and another one who's been "day by day and no play" for the past few years, to a healthy beast in his prime such as Jones

I think his point is that if you pay one player too much the rest of the talent level of the team drops.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by JakeF

I think his point is that if you pay one player too much the rest of the talent level of the team drops.

The talent drops when you remove one of the best players off your defense...losing average/replaceable players makes no discernible difference.

Paying too much for average players hurts your team...*see Hitchens*.

Highly drafting players that dont impact your team hurts them too..*see Speaks*

Hope this cleared that bit of confusion up...

Trading Jones will leave a void...take Oakland for example. They traded Mack but kept Carr. They ended up using their #4 overall pick to replace him (Ferrell)...then spent the Mack pick on a RB. They used their Cooper pick on a safety that played one game...and are likely to use their first 2020 pick on a WR to replace him.

That's a terrible return...they got a safety and a RB (so far) for Mack and Cooper. They had already spent draft picks #4 overall (Cooper) and #5 overall (Mack)...then have to spend another #4 overall to replace him (Mack). They are now going to use ANOTHER high #1 pick on a WR.

[ForeverIowan]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

The talent drops when you remove one of the best players off your defense...losing average/replaceable players makes no discernible difference.

Paying too much for average players hurts your team...*see Hitchens*.

Highly drafting players that dont impact your team hurts them too..*see Speaks*

Hope this cleared that bit of confusion up...

Trading Jones will leave a void...take Oakland for example. They traded Mack but kept Carr. They ended up using their #4 overall pick to replace him (Ferrell)...then spent the Mack pick on a RB. They used their Cooper pick on a safety that played one game...and are likely to use their first 2020 pick on a WR to replace him.

That's a terrible return...they got a safety and a RB (so far) for Mack and Cooper. They had already spent draft picks #4 overall (Cooper) and #5 overall (Mack)...then have to spend another #4 overall to replace him (Mack). They are now going to use ANOTHER high #1 pick on a WR.

A terrible return? They got a guy at running back who is going to be a pro bowl caliber player for the next several years in Jacobs. We will see how they use their second first rounder this year at the 19th pick. That is draft picks ALONE. You never touched on how they are spending the $23.5 million a year in cap savings ON TOP of the draft picks. If you think the Bears got the better end of that deal you're crazy. Raiders are ascending. Bears are descending. Much in large part to that trade. Mack has been healthy and producing as well. What happens if he gets dinged up this year (which I fear with Jones)? The Bears completely unravel.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by ForeverIowan

A terrible return? They got a guy at running back who is going to be a pro bowl caliber player for the next several years in Jacobs. They are likely going to use the other first rounder this year on Jeudy or Lamb who are both elite receivers. That is draft picks ALONE. You never touched on how they are spending the $23.5 million a year in cap savings. If you think the Bears got the better end of that deal you're crazy. Raiders are ascending. Bears are descending. Much in large part to that trade.

The fact that used one of those 1st round draft picks they got on a RB is so stupid. I'd be completely pissed if the Chiefs wasted a 1st round pick on a RB and then if it were a pick that we got for a HOF talent in his prime I'd be livid. You can find equally talented backs in the mid rounds.

The Bears aren't descending because of that trade. They are descending because they're idiots and traded up one spot to get a terrible ****ing QB. If they had even an average QB they'd be decent. I wouldn't consider one 7-9 season as ascending either, especially when you look at the team's the Raiders beat.

Broncos
Colts
Bears
Lions
Chargers
Bengals
Chargers

37-75

Not one of those teams had winning records. Hell they beat the Bears and the Bears still had a better record than the Raiders. The Bears even made it to the playoffs since that trade and went 12-4.

Also that trade is not the reason for the Bears being shitty. Its because they have shitty Turdbiscuit as their QB. The Bears would be damn good if the QB was even mediocre, because they have an elite defense. Why is that defense so elite now? Probably because they traded for Mack.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by ForeverIowan

A terrible return? They got a guy at running back who is going to be a pro bowl caliber player for the next several years in Jacobs. We will see how they use their second first rounder this year at the 19th pick. That is draft picks ALONE. You never touched on how they are spending the $23.5 million a year in cap savings ON TOP of the draft picks. If you think the Bears got the better end of that deal you're crazy. Raiders are ascending. Bears are descending. Much in large part to that trade. Mack has been healthy and producing as well. What happens if he gets dinged up this year (which I fear with Jones)? The Bears completely unravel.

You added this ignorant shit after I already quoted you. It's football. People get injured. What happens if Mahomes gets his big deal and gets injured? He's been hurt before so why don't you fear that he will be injured again? People using this god damn Berry and Houston got injured, so now everyone we sign long term will get injured is ****ing reeruned. We just gave Clark a big deal and howd that turn out? God damn people are stupid.

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

You added this ignorant shit after I already quoted you. It's football. People get injured. What happens if Mahomes gets his big deal and gets injured? He's been hurt before so why don't you fear that he will be injured again? People using this god damn Berry and Houston got injured, so now everyone we sign long term will get injured is ****ing reeruned. We just gave Clark a big deal and howd that turn out? God damn people are stupid.

Unless youre clairvoyant, we dont know how the Clark deal turned out. Hes played one season of the deal. If he destroys his knee in training camp is it still great? Pops an Achilles after? Some will say the trophy makes it worth every penny already.

That Mahomes point is just ****ing stupid bro.

We are ****ed if Mahomes goes down no matter how much hes paid. You don't send him to another team to avoid paying him. Hes the best player on the planet.

I wouldn't give 2 shits if the Chiefs had to face Jones twice a year. Imagining Mahomes on another team? **** football forever.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Unless youre clairvoyant, we dont know how the Clark deal turned out. Hes played one season of the deal. If he destroys his knee in training camp is it still great? Pops an Achilles after? Some will say the trophy makes it worth every penny already.

That Mahomes point is just ****ing stupid bro.

We are ****ed if Mahomes goes down no matter how much hes paid. You don't send him to another team to avoid paying him. Hes the best player on the planet.

I wouldn't give 2 shits if the Chiefs had to face Jones twice a year. Imagining Mahomes on another team? **** football forever.

Anyone that uses past players getting injured as a reason to not sign a 25 year old stud is just ****ing reeruned. I dont give a **** if Justin Houston didn't work out and got hurt, that has absolutely no effect on Chris Jones. If youre gonna use Eric Berry as a reason to not sign him long, then you are just a complete reerun, because Jones doesnt have the injury history of Berry, Jones is alot younger than Berry was when Berry got paid, and Jones didnt just come back from cancer.

[ForeverIowan]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

You added this ignorant shit after I already quoted you. It's football. People get injured. What happens if Mahomes gets his big deal and gets injured? He's been hurt before so why don't you fear that he will be injured again? People using this god damn Berry and Houston got injured, so now everyone we sign long term will get injured is ****ing reeruned. We just gave Clark a big deal and howd that turn out? God damn people are stupid.

1.) I want to see what kind of money Jones is asking for and what our possible draft compensation is before I make a stand one way or the other. This thread is based off the assumption he is asking to be paid as one of the highest defenders in the league.

2.) Jones was on the sideline holding his dick in his hand during our most important game of the year with a fricken calf strain while we went down 24-0. Mahomes' leg could have literally been falling off before you could drag that dude off the field during a game of that importance. Please dont compare the two in that regards. It's a GD embarrassment! Shit the Eagles backup quarterback played the entire game with his hamstring literally falling off the bone! You think Brett Favre would have sat a playoff game with a calf strain? Ronnie Lott? Hell even Mitchell Schwartz? I'm sorry if I hesitate to hand this cat $100 million.

3.) Yes, injuries ARE a part of the game. If you devote too much of your cap to a handful of players and they deal with serious injuries you screw yourself and you screw Mahomes during his prime. An argument can be made to trade Jones for two high draft picks and an extra $20 million a year in cap. That is 4-5 high level staters for the price of Chris Jones. It's called "diversify" look it up if you don't understand.

4.) With Mahomes we will always be players for the top level free agents and often times they will be willing to take significant discounts for a shot at a SB ring (i.e. Chris Harris Jr.) I personally would like to see us have the opportunity to pursue these stud free agents at a discounted price every offseason rather than being handcuffed by the salary cap.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by ForeverIowan

A terrible return? You never touched on how they are spending the $23.5 million a year in cap savings ON TOP of the draft picks.

Your math sucks...Ferrell and Jacobs combined cost is around $43 million and that isn't factoring the additional pick this year. This is on top of having to use another #4 overall to replace Mack with an inferior player...that pick could have been used elsewhere or to move down.

How much is the #4 overall pick worth...that has to be factored in when calculating the cost.

Ferrell notched 4.5 sacks....

If KC keeps Jones, they are set at DL and Safety for a while. They can use the draft for CB and LB.

[ForeverIowan]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

Your math sucks...Ferrell and Jacobs combined cost is around $43 million and that isn't factoring the pick this year. This is on top of having to use another #4 overall to replace Mack...which could have been used elsewhere or to get more picks.

How much is the #4 overall pick worth?

Ferrell notched 4.5 sacks....

WTF are you talking about? They are both on rookie contracts. Jacobs' cap hit last year was just over $2,000,000. Ferrell was around $5.7 million as a top five pick.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by ForeverIowan

WTF are you talking about? They are both on rookie contracts. Jacobs' cap hit last year was just over $2,000,000. Ferrell was around $5.7 million as a top five pick.

$43 million is their combined rookie contracts...#4 and #24.