Chris Jones - Making Him the Highest Paid Defender in the League

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Then why would you name this thread that very thing?

I thought that is what we were discussing here too.

Right now this is the benchmark. I just don't see how we can go there.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-...il-mack-14414/

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Coogs

I thought that is what we were discussing here too.

Right now this is the benchmark. I just don't see how we can go there.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-...il-mack-14414/

7/154m

I’d give Chris that deal right now.

First 2 years are super cheap and after that the cap skyrockets anyway

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by BossChief

7/154m

I’d give Chris that deal right now.

First 2 years are super cheap and after that the cap skyrockets anyway

I don't know BC. I'm not saying you are wrong. But right now, IMO, we only have one guy that we have to keep regardless of the cost. The QB. Everyone else is replaceable. Again, this is IMO.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Coogs

I don't know BC. I'm not saying you are wrong. But right now, IMO, we only have one guy that we have to keep regardless of the cost. The QB. Everyone else is replaceable. Again, this is IMO.

Sorry, but we already know this is not the case. Without enough weapons, Pat and Andy have a harder time scoring with any consistency. See the 2019 Colts game and the 2019 Texans game. Or even the second 2018 Chargers game.

So Tyreek, Kelce, and someone very similar to Sammy Watkins are not replaceable. Take away two of these guys and the offense stalls more often than not.

And without a defense we also have trouble winning big games against quality teams. Just go back and look at last year's games against both the Pats and the Rams. Scored 91 points between those two games, because most or all of our offense was available, but the defense didn't show up at all.

So saying that all we need to have is Pat is a gross oversimplification. Hell, all you have to do is go back and look at Aaron Rodgers and the Packers since 2013 or so. Only won their division 3 times until this season. Lost in the playoffs four consecutive seasons, and didn't even make the playoffs 2017-2018. Why? A lack of offensive weapons, including the fact that they used a WR as their RB1 for a season and a half, so basically no real running game. And then lump in the fact that they gutted their defense, and there you go. Even with a prime Rodgers they struggled to win their division, and never made it back to the SB.

That is not a route we want to take with Patrick. We need at least three quality offensive weapons on the field, and we need a decent defense that can get Pat the ball when we need it, period.

Not waying we have to keep Jones, though I believe that getting back to the SB is a lot easiwer with him than without him. But we have to have a quality defense, otherwise we open the door to quality teams that can score and play defense.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Sorry, but we already know this is not the case. Without enough weapons, Pat and Andy have a harder time scoring with any consistency. See the 2019 Colts game and the 2019 Texans game. Or even the second 2018 Chargers game.

So Tyreek, Kelce, and someone very similar to Sammy Watkins are not replaceable. Take away two of these guys and the offense stalls more often than not.

And without a defense we also have trouble winning big games against quality teams. Just go back and look at last year's games against both the Pats and the Rams. Scored 91 points between those two games, because most or all of our offense was available, but the defense didn't show up at all.

So saying that all we need to have is Pat is a gross oversimplification. Hell, all you have to do is go back and look at Aaron Rodgers and the Packers since 2013 or so. Only won their division 3 times until this season. Lost in the playoffs four consecutive seasons, and didn't even make the playoffs 2017-2018. Why? A lack of offensive weapons, including the fact that they used a WR as their RB1 for a season and a half, so basically no real running game. And then lump in the fact that they gutted their defense, and there you go. Even with a prime Rodgers they struggled to win their division, and never made it back to the SB.

That is not a route we want to take with Patrick. We need at least three quality offensive weapons on the field, and we need a decent defense that can get Pat the ball when we need it, period.

Not waying we have to keep Jones, though I believe that getting back to the SB is a lot easiwer with him than without him. But we have to have a quality defense, otherwise we open the door to quality teams that can score and play defense.

There are other good to great players out there. Every single year. You don't have to fill the other spots with JAG's. Once in a lifetime QB's however, you keep those guys.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Coogs

There are other good to great players out there. Every single year. You don't have to fill the other spots with JAG's. Once in a lifetime QB's however, you keep those guys.

We know already that the FA WR market this upcoming season is going to be a relative desert. The Draft offers a lot of potential at WR, but we also know that it will take a rookie at least two seasons to get up to speed in our offense. So any rookie WR we pick up will probably be no more than a 12-15 snap/game guy.

AT DL, particularly DT, again, history tells us that replacing a player of Jones' skills and abilities is almost a complete crapshoot. They just don't come along that often. We also know that playing on the DL in our defense is fairly complicated; how long for a rookie DL to get comfortable and really be able to play as a 3-down starter? And what FA DLs are out there that can produce anything like the kind of chaos that Jones can? I can't think of one.

Again, I'm not saying we're screwed if we can't keep Jones, because I trust in Veach and Coach Spagnuolo, but the defense won't be nearly as effective without Jones, IMO. Just look at his overall production vs. the top 3 DLs last season. Only Aaron Donald has similar numbers, and 3rd is way in the rear-view mirror.