***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Donger

I gave you a suggestion, but I see that you've chosen to ignore that just like you're ignoring the math, because you don't like it.

Rather than pollute this thread (and the Lounge) with your stupidity, I will engage you in the DC thread if you wish, but I won't reply to you here again.

What is there to "like" or not like here? It's reality.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Who is panicking?

You're truly on your own on this. If you are this blind please do not drive.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Anyone claiming it doesn't have the potential to have the EXACT same mortality rate of the flu in the end are butt ****ing reeruned.

Calm your tits

I think folks can remain perfectly calm and acknowledge reality.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

What is there to "like" or not like here? It's reality.

I know right the reality is the mortality rate will decline and has in most countries.

I don't know what is so hard to understand.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Based on what? Total fatalities?

Yes, the 2009-2010 H1N1 Flu killed 200,000+ worldwide and 62 to 85% of the deaths were people younger than age 65.

Link to further statistics if you want more details: https://www.livescience.com/41539-20...ll-higher.html

And yet there were no mass school/college closures, no mass cancellations of large scale events, no mass cancellations of sporting events during the H1N1 Flu Pandemic.

What is different about COVID-19 compared to the 2009-2019 H1N1 Flu that justifies this more extreme (over) reaction?

[IUsedToBeATightEnd]

Reading this thread looks like no one is afraid of ending up intubated for 2-3 weeks.
I am not afraid of dying of this disease, because mortality rate - however higher than flu is still low - expecially in my age range.
However I'd rather avoid ending up hospitalized and intubated if I can...must not be any fun.

I posted some figures regarding percentage of people requiring intensive care and intubation in Italy, they are alarming, and they went totally overlooked because the main topic here is mortality rate, mortality rate, mortality rate, WHICH IS NOT THE REAL PROBLEM.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

What is there to "like" or not like here? It's reality.

Let's just say this poster has a certain position which is based on politics. It's clearly not reality, but that happens.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

You're truly on your own on this. If you are this blind please do not drive.

What specifically are you referring to. People stocking up on food in case they are quarantined?
People buying masks because they are scared?

I wouldn't exactly refer to that as panicking, or reeruned.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Yes, the 2009-2010 H1N1 Flu killed 200,000+ worldwide and 62 to 85% of the deaths were people younger than age 65.

Link to further statistics if you want more details: https://www.livescience.com/41539-20...ll-higher.html

And yet there were no mass school/college closures, no mass cancellations of large scale events, no mass cancellations of sporting events during the H1N1 Flu Pandemic.

What is different about COVID-19 compared to the 2009-2019 H1N1 Flu that justifies this more extreme (over) reaction?

The higher current mortality rates. You cannot compare the early death total of a novel virus first spreading across a country to the total deaths of a virus.

But sure, you figured it out and the infectious disease specialist and epidemiologists are just trying to overreact and cause panic.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by SupDock

What specifically are you referring to. People stocking up on food in case they are quarantined?
People buying masks because they are scared?

I wouldn't exactly refer to that as panicking, or reeruned.

Toilet paper.............

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by SupDock

The higher current mortality rates. You cannot compare the early deaths of a novel virus first spreading across a country to the total deaths of a virus.

50 million people got the swine flu still dont remember panic levels like this

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Toilet paper.............

That's your big issue?

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

50 million people got the swine flu still dont remember panic levels like this

People are concerned and doing what they think they need to do to prepare. Very likely some of it is unnecessary and I'll advised, but so what?

[bowener]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

So far it's not spreading as fast or wide as the flu. So there is that.... No one said don't be prepared. But this panic, and people are PANICKING is reeruned.

Is your opinion based on the testing that we are currently not doing? Because we aren't testing nearly enough people. Overall, this has been an unimaginable incompetent response to a health crisis.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by bowener

Is your opinion based on the testing that we are currently not doing? Because we aren't testing nearly enough people. Overall, this has been an unimaginable incompetent response to a health crisis.

Dude. We cut interest rates, what more could people want?