***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Mahomes_Is_God

All this old people hate is uncalled for. As long as they aren't behind the wheel of a moving vehicle I have no problem with them.

ok boomer










/s

[synthesis2]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

He's trolling...

Who?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Okay math........


330 million citizens
40% = 133 million citizens
1% death rate = 1.3 million dead


That aint happening dude.

So on the very low end 1.3M die in the next year.

That’s a **** ton.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by Mahomes_Is_God

All this old people hate is uncalled for. As long as they aren't behind the wheel of a moving vehicle I have no problem with them.

My post had nothing to do with personally hating the elderly....the government hates the elderly for pragmatic reasons.

Boomers can die though...

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by Donger

There's no reason, based on the data to date, that that many Americans are going to get this.

I don’t think there’s any doubt about it — there will be that many that get it. There’s so many more right now that have it and don’t even know it.

We’re just slowing the spread by canceling the large gatherings, which is good for medical services. But we aren’t preventing the spread altogether.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

I don’t think there’s any doubt about it — there will be that many that get it. There’s so many more right now that have it and don’t even know it.

We’re just slowing the spread by canceling the large gatherings, which is good for medical services. But we aren’t preventing the spread altogether.

Based on what data? Your gut?

[Fish]

Originally Posted by synthesis2

I don’t think it’s being as insensitive as it is saying something like this . Better if the old/sick pass and the world continues to do well vs everyone is screwed.

Nah, that's definitely insensitive. Our options aren't binary. And the ease at which you'd sacrifice our older generation for the economy is a little troubling.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Not only were the shelves bare when I was out shopping yesterday, I can't purchase toilet paper online from Costco, nor can I purchase pasta on Amazon, Target or Walmart, as they all state "Out of Stock".

if you need toilet paper check your local auto parts store. our o'reilly's is stocking it today

[displacedinMN]

stick to the script Don.

[BoxWine_Stouffers_TubeSock]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

ok boomer










/s

I'm 32.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

if you need toilet paper check your local auto parts store. our o'reilly's is stocking it today

Or gas stations. That’s where I found some. In fact he was confused why I was buying multiple packs from him.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

As far as food goes, supply chain interruption is a concern. If someone at a processing plant or distributor were found to be infected. Hell even someone working at at a grocery store. Never know where it could pop up.

Not really. Someone making dry non-perishable food can hock a loogey on your food. By the time you get it the virus is dead. It's not going to survive from distribution channel to grocery store to you long enough.

[mdchiefsfan]

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but my opinion as to why this pandemic is being so heavily feared in comparison to ones in the past is because of the state of the US healthcare system.

Go to any ER prior to corona and you’re waiting 2-5 hours to be seen. Sprinkle this issue on top of an already shaky foundation and you have sheer chaos. All these efforts are being taken to prevent the system from toppling.

It isn’t so much that the virus is more aggressive than viruses in the past, but that our system is in no means capable to handle a virus like this in its current state.

That’s my $0.02.

[synthesis2]

Originally Posted by Fish

Nah, that's definitely insensitive. Our options aren't binary. And the ease at which you'd sacrifice our older generation for the economy is a little troubling.

If the economy you mean that hundreds of thousands of families raising kids end up on the streets then guilty.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by Donger

Based on what data? Your gut?

I don’t think it takes a scientist to understand that a bunch of people have the shit right now. They don’t even necessarily know it which means it’s being passed to others by them. And that cycle will just continue for a period of time.

The incubation period is too slow to keep it from spreading. But we can limit the quickness of it spreading by staying out of large crowds.