***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Jerm]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I think we're still in denial about how bad it'll get. I'll admit that even I have trouble believing that we'll get anywhere near the worst case scenarios, but there are certainly some troubling trends that this could get ugly.

All we need to do is look at Europe....hell even Washington state.

We’re in the infancy stages of it here. There’s no doubt it’s going to get way worse.

Too many people are still brushing it off and acting like it isn’t a big deal or it’s “just the flu” and until that changes, nothing will.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by FlintHillsChiefs

Also, the ****tard who gave me a thumbs down on my earlier post can go to hell

Don't post political bs in the lounge. That's what DC is for. No one cares to read political jabs in here.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by FlintHillsChiefs

Also, the ****tard who gave me a thumbs down on my earlier post can go to hell

It was me. We have a DC thread for politics.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by SupDock

There are a lot of conditions that qualify you for ppsv-23 before age 65. Cigarette smoking alone qualifies you.

Sweet! All these years of smoking are finally going to pay off!

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

So I see cities and China were on total lockdown they've separated disinfected shit all over and Chinas death rate has dropped. Why can't we do that here? It seems as though we have no plan other than telling people to wash their hands.

I wouldn't trust China's numbers since they kept changing what constitutes death from Wuhan virus. When they barricaded people in they post signs saying: 'To leave is treason. If you leave we will break your legs, if you talk we will break your teeth.'

[FlintHillsChiefs]

Originally Posted by SupDock

It was me. We have a DC thread for politics.

It's not politics if its stating fact. It's going to cost Americans a hundred thousand + lives. Forgive me for not obeying some bullshit etiquette

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by FlintHillsChiefs

Also, the ****tard who gave me a thumbs down on my earlier post can go to hell

This thread is policing itself pretty well. We don't want to boot people from this one since it'll be on the front page for a while for obvious reasons, but if you post any other political bullshit, you'll be banned from this one.

[SupDock]

A police officer in his 40s — is in critical condition after testing positive for the new coronavirus. https://t.co/OdnRPc0xRp

— Shimon Prokupecz (@ShimonPro) March 14, 2020

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by FlintHillsChiefs

It's not politics if its stating fact.

Yeah, that's the tough part, since political administration obviously plays a part in this... I don't even disagree that it could be handled better from that aspect, but we also don't want this thread to be hijacked with political opinions and bullshit..... there's a thread in DC for that.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I think we're still in denial about how bad it'll get. I'll admit that even I have trouble believing that we'll get anywhere near the worst case scenarios, but there are certainly some troubling trends that this could get ugly.

This isn’t even swine flu level of bad which affected more than just the elderly from a fatality stand point.

People need to chill out. This overreaction has the potential to do much more damage the virus itself if it doesn’t go unchecked.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Raiderhader

This isn’t even swine flu level of bad which affected more than just the elderly from a fatality stand point.

People need to chill out. This overreaction has the potential to do much more damage the virus itself if it doesn’t go unchecked.

True, but if it is actually worse than we're thinking and we sit on our hands it could end up doing more damage than necessary. Pick your poison.

[Monticore]

Testing is going to be an issue in Canada as well, my wife said she only have 5 kits left , she used one yesterday, used full hazmat style get up and tested patient in her car in parking lot( recommendation from health unit) my wife has about 2500 patients with many of them coming back from vacation this time of year no way she will be able to test everyone that needs, she says local lab is hoarding the the kits for hospital use.

[Spott]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

In deference to the French, those are basically bodegas less than they are single-purpose tobacco retailers.

TIL the French smoke more than Americans do.

I went to France last summer and literally everyone there smokes. What’s worse is that they have no problem getting 6 inches from you while smoking, either.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

True, but if it is actually worse than we're thinking and we sit on our hands it could end up doing more damage than necessary. Pick your poison.

Yeah, that's the whole thing... historical data (at least what I've read on the internet) shows you have to act fast with limited information, and holding off one day on the tough decisions could lead to 40%+ more cases.

And if it turns out the world doesn't end, a lot of people won't attribute it to cancelling sports and what not.... so, it's lose-lose from that standpoint.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I think we're still in denial about how bad it'll get. I'll admit that even I have trouble believing that we'll get anywhere near the worst case scenarios, but there are certainly some troubling trends that this could get ugly.

It's not hindsight to say leadership all over should have been prepared once they saw what was going on in China as early as January.

National guard and FEMA should be dispatched to build pop up tents for testing and treating patients so hospitals dont get overwhelmed along with cancelling all these events.

The whole response has been very puzzling.