***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by loochy

Quite frankly, I think that would calm a lot of panic. It's pretty distressing to see the stocks dump day after day after day, especially after the stupid ass fed decision ended up doing jack shit.

Yeah, if the Dow continues to drop 2k per day, there will be a global financial panic, which is completely unnecessary during a global pandemic

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Why Not?

Dr. Christ, the head of the AZ DHS, tweeted out she is considering CDC recommendations. Ducey will listen to her. Shit gonna get a lot less jovial here if the state goes into full lockdown

Maybe I should make another trip...

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by loochy

Yeah, let me know how that works out.

I imagine it will be a shit show. I love Arizona but it’s home to some of the dumbest people on planet earth. No idea how the masses will react.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by ptlyon

Well shit, wish we had a Bob Evans around here

To be fair. They haven't had a single case there. I believe they're the only state that hasn't had one.

Also to be fair, they've done 84 tests. Total.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by FAX

Considering everything else, the potential re-infection issue only adds to the stress.

For what it's worth, re-infection likelihood appears to be an open issue trending toward the negative (as far as I can tell).

For example, Dr. Clifford Lane (Clinical Research National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases) has stated that reinfection was unlikely and that false positives probably caused those reports.

Dr. Keiji Fukuda essentially said the same thing; citing testing errors.

Fauci has also recently downplayed the re-infection hypothesis and concerns.

If the tests aren't sufficiently targeted and/or the detection threshold is too high, how would they even know?

FAX

Could the re-infection be the other strain? It happens with Flu A and Flu B (it happened to me, my wife, and my son 2 Christmases ago).

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It's being recommended by the mayor of SF, not the governor of CA.

Because the mayor of SF has the power to shut down the entire bay area. Got it.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Why Not?

I imagine it will be a shit show. I love Arizona but it’s home to some of the dumbest people on planet earth. No idea how the masses will react.

I'll tell you that would NEVER work here in Texas. It might work in the dense city parts of Houston, DFW, Austin, and San Antonio, but the people here would not take that and they have the firepower to back it up.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by loochy

I'll tell you that would NEVER work here in Texas. It might work in the dense city parts of Houston, DFW, Austin, and San Antonio, but the people here would not take that and they have the firepower to back it up.

I tend to think AZ would respond in similar fashion.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Because the mayor of SF has the power to shut down the entire bay area. Got it.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/local-po...y-15135014.php


Six Bay Area counties announced a “shelter in place” order for all residents on Monday — the strictest measure of its kind in the country — directing everyone to stay inside their homes and away from others as much as possible for the next three weeks as public health officials desperately try to curb the rapid spread of coronavirus across the region.

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No where does this mention the governor or any other county in California

[petegz28]

San Francisco "orders" people to stay inside. Can they do that legally?

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

https://www.sfchronicle.com/local-po...y-15135014.php


Six Bay Area counties announced a “shelter in place” order for all residents on Monday — the strictest measure of its kind in the country — directing everyone to stay inside their homes and away from others as much as possible for the next three weeks as public health officials desperately try to curb the rapid spread of coronavirus across the region.

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No where does this mention the governor or any other county in California

I know all 6 are being shut down I watched the press conference JFC.

[MahiMike]

So I've been thinking about this stuff...instead of everyone scrounging for masks and toilet paper, shouldn't we just be buying thermometers?

That's what they did in China and other places. Take your temp. If it's a fever, get over there. If not, come on in.

We should implement this in every business. I'm definitely more worried about the economic impact of everyone staying at home than I am scared of the virus.

This whole stay at home thing is assinine. They're saying it'll take 12-18 mos to get an antidote? By that time, the only thing we'll have solved is the homeless situation. They'll all move into the empty businesses.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by petegz28

San Francisco "orders" people to stay inside. Can they do that legally?

There is the rub. Do you have an essential job?
This is going to suck. I can't imagine it being very enforceable. Streets were already empty.

[O.city]

DJ ain't really wrong in this thread. Everyone is gonna get it, you just want everyone to get it not at the same time so shit isn't overwhelmed.

You can't shut everyone in and live in caves away from the virus.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

I know all 6 are being shut down I watched the press conference JFC.

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