***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Talisman]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YALL pic.twitter.com/YiMepf3wXn

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So they took it a little further than I thought.

Originally Posted by Talisman

We've had kids trying to swallow spoonfuls of cinnamon, laying down in the middle of streets, planking on moving vehicles and chewing Tide pods. It's only a matter of time before the Doorknob Licking Challenge of 2020 starts hitting YouTube.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Donger

4,287 cases
74 deaths

Do we have age ranges on those who have died?

[TLO]

Originally Posted by wazu

Italy story from 2/28: https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-ne...0572952e5590be

Had they implemented the "social distancing" we're encouraging at this point?

[loochy]

Originally Posted by wazu

I feel like 2 weeks ago the stories out of Italy were it was already hell on earth with the medical system completely overrun.

Originally Posted by wazu

Italy story from 2/28: https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-ne...0572952e5590be

maybe they meant in proportion to the population or something

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Originally Posted by TLO

Had they implemented the "social distancing" we're encouraging at this point?

Don’t think so

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by wazu

Italy story from 2/28: https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-ne...0572952e5590be

From the link:

Italy now has over 820 cases, making it one of the worst hit countries in the world. Lombardy, in northern Italy, has 531 confirmed cases and a death toll of 17, the region's health secretary Giulio Gallera said Friday.

Originally Posted by Donger

4,287 cases
74 deaths

Trajectory seems about right

[LiveSteam]

Originally Posted by TLO

Do we have age ranges on those who have died?

[wazu]

Originally Posted by TLO

Had they implemented the "social distancing" we're encouraging at this point?

Pretty sure no. IIRC it wasn't too long after this that they started getting serious about shutting things down.

[eDave]

At least we're not this guy. Could you imagine?

https://www.the-sun.com/news/544248/...e-sink-greece/

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Great post, DJ.

Agree.
We could use more of you postin' these days

[Donger]

Originally Posted by TLO

Do we have age ranges on those who have died?

Not yet. I doubt it's going to change much from the global at this point, which is:

80+ years old
14.8%

70-79 years old
8.0%

60-69 years old
3.6%

50-59 years old
1.3%

40-49 years old
0.4%

30-39 years old
0.2%

20-29 years old
0.2%

10-19 years old
0.2%

0-9 years old
no fatalities

These are percentage chance of dying if infected, by the way.

[Titty Meat]

Wait so Fauci is now against a national lockdown? That's a change from yesterday:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dr...own-2020-03-15

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by wazu

Italy story from 2/28: https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-ne...0572952e5590be

I guess the 'good news' in an incredibly macabre sort of way is that we'll have answers in a big way over the next week.

The idea that we're "Two weeks behind" Italy doesn't really jibe with most of the curves we've seen or the likely number of infections we have given our relatively poor testing criteria thus far.

But there are a lot of fairly key indicators that suggest we're maybe 3-5 days behind.

By Friday I think we'll know a ton. Either healthcare situations in critical areas will be deep in collapse and critical cases/mortalities will skyrocket, or we'll know that something is causing different outcomes here than took place in Northern Italy.

Like I said - there are even some studies that will say we're FAR ahead of Italy on the critical case timelines.

One way or the other, we're approaching nut-cutting time. I still firmly believe that the US isn't as well equipped as many nations to address various relatively benign maladies, I think we're better equipped than most if not all to address serious shit (as supported by the number of people that are sent here for precisely that). I believe our surge capacity is in many ways understated because it's never been tested.

I dunno man - maybe I'm a relic but I still have some faith in this country. I can't help but think of good ol' Ed Harris as Gene Kranz:



Maybe so many other people are right. Maybe the USA is just damn ordinary and well on our way to catastrophe. But I do think we'll know a lot more by Saturday and I remain hopeful.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by oaklandhater

said this earlier and got a bunch of shit tossed my way.

That's because you're a goddamn idiot that never shuts up

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I guess the 'good news' in an incredibly macabre sort of way is that we'll have answers in a big way over the next week.

The idea that we're "Two weeks behind" Italy doesn't really jibe with most of the curves we've seen or the likely number of infections we have given our relatively poor testing criteria thus far.

But there are a lot of fairly key indicators that suggest we're maybe 3-5 days behind.

By Friday I think we'll know a ton. Either healthcare situations in critical areas will be deep in collapse and critical cases/mortalities will skyrocket, or we'll know that something is causing different outcomes here than took place in Northern Italy.

Like I said - there are even some studies that will say we're FAR ahead of Italy on the critical case timelines.

One way or the other, we're approaching nut-cutting time. I still firmly believe that the US isn't as well equipped as many nations to address various relatively benign maladies, I think we're better equipped than most if not all to address serious shit (as supported by the number of people that are sent here for precisely that). I believe our surge capacity is in many ways understated because it's never been tested.

I dunno man - maybe I'm a relic but I still have some faith in this country. I can't help but think of good ol' Ed Harris as Gene Kranz:



Maybe so many other people are right. Maybe the USA is just damn ordinary and well on our way to catastrophe. But I do think we'll know a lot more by Saturday and I remain hopeful.

If we're being macabre here, then I'd be putting money on something not even directly related to the virus being the tipping point that turns everything into a shitshow.