***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by tk13

Four Nets have tested positive for the coronavirus, team says.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) March 17, 2020

Are the Rims not susceptible to the Coronavirus? Maybe we are onto a cure?!

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I have no clue on economic theories.

I see no way to talk about these issues without bringing politics into the discussion. So I’m going to punt on any bailout, stimulus etc. discussion.

$1,000 per head might cover one month's worth of rent or mortgage.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Civil unrest is what worries me about all of this, people are dumb enough to cause a problem.

Good deal on build kits right now

[burt]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That's kind of been my thinking as well.

We're bound together as a Nation to combat this thing and it's really the first time since the US entered WWII.

We've had other tragedies that have affected certain parts of the country in 9/11, school shootings, etc. but those are isolated events that don't effect everyone.

We live in the Greatest Nation On Earth. We can get through this together as One.

Okay....I'll vote for you.

[TLO]

I'm going to the roulette table with my free $1000.

31. Black.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by mac459

Military is on alert


I have been getting calls as well, telling me to be ready to go. Few of my buddies have text saying they have got those calls as well, and we are all retired. Medically or otherwise.

ive had calls from my Respiratory Therapist buddies back in KC to see if I still have an active license to operate ventilators(it’s expired). They were asking if it gets bad and the state allows exceptions, would I come back for the crisis to help out. Guess everyone is exploring really bad options if everything goes to shit.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

So when is this going to peak?

I am on day 2 of working from home and I am going crazy....

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

So when is this going to peak?

I am on day 2 of working from home and I am going crazy....

Best case of peak will be in 2-3 weeks from now.

[Spott]

Originally Posted by TLO

I'm going to the roulette table with my free $1000.

31. Black.

15 Red

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

So when is this going to peak?

I am on day 2 of working from home and I am going crazy....

Nobody actually knows anything. I'm convinced. It's like a meteorologist trying to predict the weather 14 days out. They have a general idea of what might happen, but in truth, they have no clue.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I have no clue on economic theories.

I see no way to talk about these issues without bringing politics into the discussion. So I’m going to punt on any bailout, stimulus etc. discussion.

Yeah, at some point my econ minor from 15 years ago runs out of usable discussion w/r/t theory. But I can tell you right this very minute that if my bank, who has backed us through some ROUGH times, were to call me and say "Hey Nut, I've got a federally backed loan for $600K that we'll plow into a line of credit extension if you can be here today to sign it. Does that do anything to ease your mind?"

I wouldn't even hear anything after 'here' because I'd be running to my truck to get my ass downtown and sign the loan.

And I think there's a 50% shot I won't even need it, but if I don't I'll just pay it back in June/July. And I'll tell all my people "hey guys, we got this so everyone calm down and if you need to take a day or two away to re-set with your families, get it done..."

I cannot overstate how important that would be for me as a business owner and I think anyone sitting in a chair that looks anything like mine right now would scream LOUDLY in agreement with me.

This is beyond theory - this is me doing runway calculations and revenue projections for the next six weeks (knowing full well I'm pulling them from my ass) right this very second.

I'll sleep more soundly than I have in a couple of weeks if we can just get some damn backing for businesses that isn't "well mail money to your employees and give you a tax credit in 11 months..."

Because that does ****-all for keeping my office's lights on.

[petegz28]

Good news bad news...

bad news is the cases and death toll are increasing as we expected

The good news (sorta) is the mortality rate is now down to 1.67% in the US which is the lowest it has been

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

$1,000 per head might cover one month's worth of rent or mortgage.

And if it goes on longer we might see more free money.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Oh wow. We're socialists now.

NEW: Treasury Sec. Steve Mnuchin: "We're looking at sending checks to Americans immediately...and I mean now, in the next two weeks."

Mnuchin declined to name an amount. https://t.co/fGuwrsbtfV pic.twitter.com/n8vtFOlZv9

— ABC News (@ABC) March 17, 2020

[TLO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Good news bad news...

bad news is the cases and death toll are increasing as we expected

The good news (sorta) is the mortality rate is now down to 1.67% in the US which is the lowest it has been

What are our numbers today compared to yesterday?

And no the spike in numbers is not a reason to freak out, it's due to more testing.